Should Somalia adopt confederalism ?

[Itsnotthateasy]

This is what Somaliland should’ve opted for lol. With each clan managing their own affairs but remaining apart of Somaliland, instead u lost half of the territories you claim

Never gonna work, SL will just end up like Somalia, a non functioning state, thankfully our darood population is low so they can't fail our state .

 

[Varriris]

What would that literally change??? You guys are literally missing the point of the whole thing. All Somali leader are corrupt and need to go. No one over 35 should be leading a thing.

The somali political class believe in corruption, unequal distribution of power and resources, business cartels and sabotaging locals efforts, they believe in auctioning off our lands and resources for pennies or to one up eachother they don’t believe in compromise, they don’t carry an ideology/political vision, they don’t believe in being pro-active or developing industries

left to their own devices they’ll have somalis running around with begging bowls the next five decades, and people here are suggesting giving them new states when the clan fiefdoms they’ve been entrusted with are still complete shitholes

 

[Varriris]

Never gonna work, SL will just end up like Somalia, a non functioning state, thankfully our darood population is low so they can't fail our state .

meh SL is already failed

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

meh SL is already failed

Hmmm evidence suggests otherwise but keep coping. We will manage our nation within the nation out of existence over time.

 

[Varriris]

Hmmm evidence suggests otherwise but keep coping. We will manage our nation within the nation out of existence over time.

Hows Ceerigaabo doing?

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

Hows Ceerigaabo doing?

About as expected. SL can tolerate this nonsense while we draw the borders up, then we will come with much more force than before.

 

[Varriris]

Hmmm evidence suggests otherwise but keep coping. We will manage our nation within the nation out of existence over time.

Funny enough years ago I told an isaaq dude it was only a matter of time before harti and SL clash properly and they get chased out of eastern Sool and Sanaag. Told him Ceerigaabo would most likely turn out like Galkacyo at some point, with one admin managing one part of the city and another admin the other.

Reer SL oodhan have a hard time reading the room. Even now they are ignoring the strong intra-isaaq tensions and economic frustrations in SL

 

[Varriris]

About as expected. SL can tolerate this nonsense while we draw the borders up, then we will come with much more force than before.

I respect the optimism.

 

[Sigmundd]

What you just said is irrelevant to my initial comment.

No it wasn't.

 

[Flightboi]

If we adopt a confederal system, will the SNA be disbanded?

SNA would still exist as a Confederation makes the Federal Government focus on only defense and foreign affairs. Federal Government would be weaker than the FMS in a Confederation.

 

[Flightboi]

Just leave if you are gonna leave lol what is the point?

Nobody is allowed to leave. We are all stuck together forever.

 

[Aurelian]

What do you guys think about this statement

No, that the worst form of governance there. We need strong Federalism, and clear defined lines between FMS and FGS.

 

[Flightboi]

Tbh I think the future of Somalia is (or should be) centralism and for us to go back to the 18 administrative regions.. besides the root of all of our issues lie in our political culture, change in system won’t do much unless you change our culture first

I think Somaliland is the greatest proof of that (and Puntland to a lesser degree)

I don't think Puntland will agree to dissolve their Federal Regional State.

 

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This isnt a question that will be voted on Somalia will be confederalist by force unless the Hawiye gain the strength to occupy the Darood Raxanweyne and Isaaq.

Somalis have no faith in a central government based in Xamar the question is who made them lose faith and how?

 

[Varriris]

This isnt a question that will be voted on Somalia will be confederalist by force unless the Hawiye gain the strength to occupy the Darood Raxanweyne and Isaaq.

Somalis have no faith in a central government based in Xamar the question is who made them lose faith and how?

Shacabka don’t have much faith in clan fiefdoms either lol. Bring them a centralist government that can first fix the issues in Xamar to build trust and I guarantee you they will all abandon these clanstates quickly.

 

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Shacabka don’t have much faith in clan fiefdoms either lol. Bring them a centralist government that can first fix the issues in Xamar to build trust and I guarantee you they will all abandon these clanstates quickly.

Nobody looks at the central government as a neutral body. It has no checks and balances everything is run by the executive.

The clan of the sitting president and ignorant gullible diaspora are the only ones who are bought in. People will always prefer their clan fiefdom over another so confederalism is the default.

 

[Varriris]

Nobody looks at the central government as a neutral body. It has no checks and balances everything is run by the executive.

The clan of the sitting president and ignorant gullible diaspora are the only ones who are bought in. People will always prefer their clan fiefdom over another so confederalism is the default.

The way Farmaajo was embraced by the public early on says otherwise. The somali people yearn for a strong central state IF it can deliver. The clan fiefdoms are
incapable of that as of right now.

somali peope will embrace any system that delivers tbh

 

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The way Farmaajo was embraced by the public early on says otherwise. The somali people yearn for a strong central state IF it can deliver. The clan fiefdoms are
incapable of that as of right now.

somali peope will embrace any system that delivers tbh

Deliver what? Somalis live off of aid projects. The FMS are more then capable of fulfilling that. They are in fact more capable of delivering that then states under the FGS namely KG/HS/GM.

You still havent addressed the elephant in the room that the FGS is no less a clan fiefdom then the FMS.

 

[Internet Nomad]

The future is Confucianism

 

[geeljre49]

Deliver what? Somalis live off of aid projects. The FMS are more then capable of fulfilling that. They are in fact more capable of delivering that then states under the FGS namely KG/HS/GM.

You still havent addressed the elephant in the room that the FGS is no less a clan fiefdom then the FMS.

Why do you folks act as if JL is any better than the other Southern States when it is literally the FMS that hosts all Shabaab seniors, most of their troops as well as one full region under their control. It is literally under worse security situation than HS/GM. Nabe been ayaa leesyku sheegey.

And brining up Kismaayo port doesn't mean much. Xamar's port which is much more significant and controlled by HS/GM/Banaadir natives is connected to those serve and is connected to those states anyways.