Should Somalia adopt confederalism ?

[The Oponian Guild]

What would that literally change??? You guys are literally missing the point of the whole thing. All Somali leader are corrupt and need to go. No one over 35 should be leading a thing.

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[Sandvaer]

30+ years since the collapse of the state and it is still clan fighting each other and people dreaming about one country. It dont look very likely. Only way is to balkanize.

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

HELL NO!!!


YOU WANT TO SEE HOW CONFEDERALISM IS LIKE, PRESENT DAY SOMALIA. IT IS NOT FEDERAL AT ALL, IN FACT IT DOSENT EVEN OPERATE LIKE A CONFEDERALIST COUNTRY ITS DYSFUNCTIONAL BY DESIGN FULED BY QABILIST IDIOTS

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

30+ years since the collapse of the state and it is still clan fighting each other and people dreaming about one country. It dont look very likely. Only way is to balkanize.

You are very wrong, it is not a dream it is a reality balkanizing is the worst way to go idiot. Anyone who supports balkanization is an ethiopian

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

SNA would still exist as a Confederation makes the Federal Government focus on only defense and foreign affairs. Federal Government would be weaker than the FMS in a Confederation.

I hate this idea people push thats mostly coming from Ajnabis or Turbo Qabilists. They think Somalis are alone in this world, if that were the case I would be advocating for this too. But nope, that is not how it is. Just look at ethiopia next door, a conglomeration of 80 ethnic groups, 80 different groups of people with many different languages. They are united, and now you see how they transgress into somalia into the daily, call over regional leaders like children. Now somalia, 1 ethnic group, 1 religion and you doqomo want to divide it. From a foreign intelligence agency, it would be so easy to compromise somalia to do the things they want (The further downfall of somalis). Im weary of anyone who supports this, they are not somali.

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

I don't think Puntland will agree to dissolve their Federal Regional State.

Every state will be split up, in a smart and peaceful manner.

 

[ilmoweyn]

What do you guys think about this statement

I was thinking about this, but Somalis are insistent on being completely separate states waa yaab

 

[The Oponian Guild]

I propose to kick hiraabiya out of the union and the capital should be in Galkacyo (north)

 

[Varriris]

Half of Hargeisa doesn’t have running water despite the fact that the international community has thrown millions at them over this issue apparently whoever in charge kept stealing the funds

This is also (allegedly) why Puntland hasn’t built a massive hospital yet

I think this alone is why I don’t believe in confederalism being the solution

 

[Abaq]

A confederation is essentially a loose alliance of independent regions or states that keep most of their power but agree to work together on things like defense, trade, and foreign policy. Unlike a federal system where the central government has a lot of control, a confederation allows the regions to stay in charge of their own affairs while cooperating on national matters.

This means that Puntland, Khatumo, Jubaland etc, would get more freedom to govern themselves, but a central body would handle issues that affect everyone—like security and foreign relations. Each region would still make its own laws and policies, but they’d work together on things that need a united front.

A confederation could help manage Somalia’s clan divisions, giving each region more control while still keeping the country unified on major issues like defence and infrastructure. But we will still have issues pertaining national defence thanks to thugs like Culusow, who use the fake clannist, 'SNA' to attack Somalis instead of terrorism.

The way to overcome that is by designating the state troops as SNA, ie Jubaland Darawish become SNA, Puntland troops become SNA and the command is separate for each region and no SNA from another region can enter another region without the unanimous agreement of all the heads of the States. Likewise, the country can't launch any operation or war without a unanimous agreement of all the states.

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

Half of Hargeisa doesn’t have running water despite the fact that the international community has thrown millions at them over this issue apparently whoever in charge kept stealing the funds

This is also (allegedly) why Puntland hasn’t built a massive hospital yet

I think this alone is why I don’t believe in confederalism being the solution

all they need is a few clips of asphalt being paved with music to convince them that their clan state enclave is first world country. Its utterly delusional, we are much more better together. Just look at kacaan and how many development projects they were going to start and have done. Just looking at what they had planned in the 90s and 2000s is so depressing,

 

[Varriris]

all they need is a few clips of asphalt being paved with music to convince them that their clan state enclave is first world country. Its utterly delusional, we are much more better together. Just look at kacaan and how many development projects they were going to start and have done. Just looking at what they had planned in the 90s and 2000s is so depressing,

They want Puntland to secede because the FGS keeps blocking a couple of millions from the international community.. my question is why should I be bullish on an independent PL if they can’t get that money on their own and be selfsufficient enough to carry out their own development projects, why are they still dependent on aid? How can such a small state with plenty of resources still be dependent on aid ?

The kacan had a plan, they can’t point to one clanstate with a manifesto and a plan for what they’re gonna achieve the next 5-10 years

 

[MacalinDugsi]

either independant states or centralism, thats how modern world works there is successful confederate country in the world for a reason you think somalia will be the first??

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

Nothing will work. These PL politicians need to get this through their thick heads. Either shut the hell up and join Garguurte's shuban fest in xamar or declare independence. There is nothing else. We are not on the same page with southies.

 

[Zak12]

For you to say this with a straight face after the fresh JL fiasco is a joke

You mock FGS now but Jubaland is literally a city state. All their territory outside of Kismayo is ruled by others.

 

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Why do you folks act as if JL is any better than the other Southern States when it is literally the FMS that hosts all Shabaab seniors, most of their troops as well as one full region under their control. It is literally under worse security situation than HS/GM. Nabe been ayaa leesyku sheegey.

And brining up Kismaayo port doesn't mean much. Xamar's port which is much more significant and controlled by HS/GM/Banaadir natives is connected to those serve and is connected to those states anyways.

Kismayos development security and stability is not comparable to Baraawe Jowhar or Dhusomareeb. These are state capitals entirely dependent on the FGS and there is nothing to show for it.

Benadir port and Kismayo port were built before the civil war and the existence of clan states. If this is merely a clan comparison regarding development im also willing to do that.

You mock FGS now but Jubaland is literally a city state. All their territory outside of Kismayo is ruled by others.

This was 280 KM from Kismayo. This is the deep south any time you want war you know where to find us.

 

[TheLand]

You mock FGS now but Jubaland is literally a city state. All their territory outside of Kismayo is ruled by others.

You must be slow. You can say the exact same thing about FGS. What does it control outside Xamar. It is also a city state if Kismaayo is. It couldn't even control Ras Kamboni for more than a few weeks. The difference though is JL just absolutely annihilated the FGS in battle, to the point where many hundreds of so-called 'elite' forces such as haramcad, gorgor or whatever silly names they have went to dhadhaab as qaxooti rather than fight. So again, what the hell is your point?

 

[TheLand]

They want Puntland to secede because the FGS keeps blocking a couple of millions from the international community.. my question is why should I be bullish on an independent PL if they can’t get that money on their own and be selfsufficient enough to carry out their own development projects, why are they still dependent on aid? How can such a small state with plenty of resources still be dependent on aid ?

The kacan had a plan, they can’t point to one clanstate with a manifesto and a plan for what they’re gonna achieve the next 5-10 years

Literally none of what you just said is true. Try to do some research next time. Tired of you kids just making stuff up and throwing it out there.

 

[TheLand]

Half of Hargeisa doesn’t have running water despite the fact that the international community has thrown millions at them over this issue apparently whoever in charge kept stealing the funds

This is also (allegedly) why Puntland hasn’t built a massive hospital yet

I think this alone is why I don’t believe in confederalism being the solution

Are you trying to suggest here that the FGS is free from corruption? This place needs to get a lot more serious.

 

[Varriris]

Are you trying to suggest here that the FGS is free from corruption? This place needs to get a lot more serious.

No, im arguing that corruption which I consider to be the biggest obstacle in achieving progress wouldn’t disappear w confederalism

people pretend that SL/PL being underdeveloped is because of Xamar when that’s not true