Geeljire if you can't backup your claims just say so, but don't think you won't be questioned or asked for proof
Facts dude just give me some facts that backs your claim
Facts dude just give me some facts that backs your claim
Somali reality
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Very easy, forget about democracy, have a junta of various clans, mass deportation and dispersal of clans, economic growth, relatively free markets to unleash Somali thirst for commerce, programming from a young age, plentiful jobs for youth, fill the ranks of the military with laangaabs that need a state and crush all dissent, scapegoat Bantus, restore a sense of nationalism, promote Somali multinational corporation control of neighboring countries, buy their politicians and media, incessant propaganda about instability in region, take advantage of ethnic instability and arm rebels, topple leadership, retake Ogaden and NFD without firing a bullet.
Easy peasy broski
Easy peasy broski
Geeljire if you can't backup your claims just say so, but don't think you won't be questioned or asked for proof
Proof of what, i dont even know what you are talking about. Tell me what claims? that Unity is a political necessity or that somalis have a social structure that nessacitates decentralization? What claims are you talking about?Quote the claims you want me to address. You just ignored all my points and came in With random punt kushite nomad and adal, kacaan qashin.
Saaxiib read back your post it makes no sense.
These claims and claims you have made before about azania, kush, land of punt etc when somali tradition is totally different and all somali claim to have foreign, why somalis never have united or have problems uniting if they have everything in common?
I know you are one of the mods pro puntland friends & she invited you on to this site and how you are a lackie sent here to by @Duchess in the midst of her trolly butthurt escapee.
I actually invite it , you guys are doing me a favor.
Damu is an OG from the other forum. Check his join date. My Puntite buddies are on their way soon insha'allah.
He wants to know when Somalis were united, since he apparently believes our entire history is nomadic and devoid of any civilization and our natural state is to be separated into warring clans that also apparently do not have a shared history, culture, or even ethnicity.
He initially dismissed the Kacaan and Adal because they do not fit the narrative he's trying to push. He will also dismiss the numerous sources from the Periplus of the Erythrean Sea to Geographia to the 9th century Chinese sources to Medieval Arab sources that indicate the Barbaroi/Po Pa Li were in possession of the Somali Peninsula by at least the 1st century C.E. and the numerous schoalrly works since then that confirm the antiquity of the Somali race, not to mention the ruins that dot the Somali Peninsula since our ethnogenesis that separated us from the other Cushitic speaking peoples and established us as the sole masters of the Peninsula.
He initially dismissed the Kacaan and Adal because they do not fit the narrative he's trying to push. He will also dismiss the numerous sources from the Periplus of the Erythrean Sea to Geographia to the 9th century Chinese sources to Medieval Arab sources that indicate the Barbaroi/Po Pa Li were in possession of the Somali Peninsula by at least the 1st century C.E. and the numerous schoalrly works since then that confirm the antiquity of the Somali race, not to mention the ruins that dot the Somali Peninsula since our ethnogenesis that separated us from the other Cushitic speaking peoples and established us as the sole masters of the Peninsula.
I know you are one of the mods pro puntland friends & she invited you on to this site and how you are a lackie sent here to this thread by @Duchess in the midst of her trolly butthurt escapee.
I actually invite it , you guys are doing me a favor.
NOPE i'm just questioning you and your claims, but hey why so suspicious it's not like you are someone well known/respected to orchestrate missions like that for
damm what kind of world you live in
How was somalis united during the kacaan? is it unity when a clan based administration (MOD) slaughters its citizens?
MOD or was Just Marehan,Ogaden,Dhulbahante, if by unity you mean their unity say so
All somalis were not part of Adal and its was religion that united Adal not somalinimo.
All those sources on those civilizations confirm the somali race were founders and rules of said civilisations? if so give proof on that, would not the galla waaq worshipers be the real founders since they were there before somalis
where is your somali sources,studies since all somalis and theyre claims of origin goes against those sources
How was somalis united during the kacaan? is it unity when a clan based administration (MOD) slaughters its citizens?
MOD or was Just Marehan,Ogaden,Dhulbahante, if by unity you mean their unity say so
All somalis were not part of Adal and its was religion that united Adal not somalinimo.
All those sources on those civilizations confirm the somali race were founders and rules of said civilisations? if so give proof on that, would not the galla waaq worshipers be the real founders since they were there before somalis
where is your somali sources,studies since all somalis and theyre claims of origin goes against those sources
Despite a few hiccups, there's no denying the unity of the Somali people during the Kacaan period. To deny that is to deny reality.
As for Adal, it was a state composed primarily of Somalis. The conflict was purely political in nature. When Abysinnia's continued aggression could no longer be tolerated, the Somali clans mobilized under the leadership of Ahmed Gurey and invaded Abysinnia much like Somali under the leadership of MSB would do so four centuries later.
Gallas were never in possession of the Somali Peninsula since they had yet to even make their migration north from their ancestral lands and would not do so until the aforementioned conflict when both Abysinnia and Adal were severely crippled following the cessation of hostilities. It's obvious you don't really know much about the history of the Horn.
As I mentioned in the other post, the 1st century Periplus of the Erythrean Sea, Ptolemy's Geographia, the 9th century Yu Yang Tsa Tsu, Arab cartographers,and a number of other sources indicate the Peninsula to be inhabited by Barbaroi/ Po Pa Li which all scholars identify as the present Somali people.
Somali sources are pure bullshit. I can assure you no magical shipwrecked Arab named Darood climbed up a tree and refused to come down until Dir himself offered him his daughter, nor did another magical Shiekh named Isaaq vanquish a magician by the name of Bucur bucayr and spawn millions of people in a few centuries.
Your narrative is without merit, the Somalis are an ancient people whose history spans millennia. We didn't pop out of no where like your fairy tales would have you believe
That Darood story you wrote is not true but i'm not surprised you try to spread incorrect info on him also not mentioning hawiye or others close to you
How is that narrative without merit when the descendants still live there and still are connected to the land of origin, historical documents and studies available and well known, religious orders started that are still present, their different branches in different countries though separated still have the same culture, tradition and still uphold ties with eachother. so just cause yours is fake don't make mine fake since we do not share ties or culture and never mixed much historically.
Somali history span millenia yet no traces you are to be found, empire building people do not become nomads over night with no traces of even their knowledge
what happened did they wake up one day and decided to drop everything and become ignorant nomads.Do you even know what unity means
How was the kacaan a time somalis were united when more than half the country was burning and three clans dominating all levels of society leading to civil war or are you speaking from your clans perspective.Also i been to Somalia and worked there, traveled around and seen with my own eyes the heritage left behind and the culture that is still visible, from architecture, boat building, textiles, hierarchy and recorded history in 2 different texts so do not tell me somalis have the same origins cause i did see that. Galkayo was the one place you can definitely see the differences
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Your assertions are completely baseless. The Darood origin myth has been throughly debunked for a decade, as has the idea that Somalis are a confederation of diverse ethnic groups. Your insistence on promoting these archaich and frankly amusing origin myths is very strange since they have no basis in reality. They're little more than a game of Chinese whispers that has run since probably the introduction of Islam and the subsequent reorganization of our civilization into clans either descending from heroic Banu Hashim princes or their native Ansar helpers from whom millions of Somalis miraculously sprung and conquered the Horn in a single millennium.
As I've continuously stated, ancient sources have reiterated the antiquity of the Somali people and their presence on the Somali Peninsula since at least the first century c.e. the Periplus of the Erythrean Sea, Geographia, the 9th century Yu Yang Tsa Tsu, Arab cartographers like the 12th century Idrisi, emphatically state the various city states that dotted the Somali Peninsula as being in possession of the Barbaroi/ Berbers/ Po Pa Li or present day Somalis.
You can easily access these documents through the wonder of modern technology that is Google. Your nefarious agenda to denigrate the Somalis, relegate us to wandering nomads devoid of any semblance of civilization, and assign our illustrious and well documented history to Oromos who lived deep in the interior of modern day Ethiopia until the 16th century does not stand up to the historical record which is more than clear. Appealing to flimsy oral history that has been thoroughly debunked by modern genetic testing cannot change history, especially when that history is well documented and corroborated by the works of civilizations ranging from Greco-Roman Egypt to China to Arabia and separated by more than a millennium.
Sorry your fairy tales are bullshit, you're most certainly not a Mehri.
As I've continuously stated, ancient sources have reiterated the antiquity of the Somali people and their presence on the Somali Peninsula since at least the first century c.e. the Periplus of the Erythrean Sea, Geographia, the 9th century Yu Yang Tsa Tsu, Arab cartographers like the 12th century Idrisi, emphatically state the various city states that dotted the Somali Peninsula as being in possession of the Barbaroi/ Berbers/ Po Pa Li or present day Somalis.
You can easily access these documents through the wonder of modern technology that is Google. Your nefarious agenda to denigrate the Somalis, relegate us to wandering nomads devoid of any semblance of civilization, and assign our illustrious and well documented history to Oromos who lived deep in the interior of modern day Ethiopia until the 16th century does not stand up to the historical record which is more than clear. Appealing to flimsy oral history that has been thoroughly debunked by modern genetic testing cannot change history, especially when that history is well documented and corroborated by the works of civilizations ranging from Greco-Roman Egypt to China to Arabia and separated by more than a millennium.
Sorry your fairy tales are bullshit, you're most certainly not a Mehri.
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origins accepted in different countries is not a myth, traces of my ancestor are to be found in many places with historical buildings, documents and the fact that my people never lost ties with the rest even though divided by continents,oceans and borders. Also the Qadirriya order introduced by us still alive both in yemen, puntland and omanWe still live along the coast uphold the same old traditions, architecture, dances, attires as our kin across the seas and our hierarchy, laws still alive and our history recorded by us but also by all historians from different kingdoms
Just cause you don't have history or roots don't add me to your misery, claiming history that aint yours with no traces at all both in your clan region or within your clan, you claim empires but don't have a single town or ruins to show for it
, maybe slave descendants since in that part of the world everybody hold their origins and traditions with high esteem and their origins is what places them in the regional hierarchy but since you come from a clan with no history, heck no civilized history til the italians came it's understandable why you are stealing peoples historyI don't claim meheri nor have i claimed but a meheri is my brother and closer to me than anything, meheri and my people are the same and we never once lost ties or love between our people and we still live together in Somalia, Mahrah, Socotra and Salalah. My people do not forget their past or origin, we are proud of our history and do not need to lie or make up one.
Speak for yourself and dont speak for me dude cuz i HAVE a history and don't claim other peoples shit like a bastard looking for his daddy and claiming every man he sees
Kulaha we build ancient kingdoms then how the hell you evolve from this :
To this
Mr bahal what kind of messed up evolution is that
To this
Mr bahal what kind of messed up evolution is that
Damm they claim peoples history with a straight face like they claim properties in xamar
Damm they claim peoples history with a straight face like they claim properties in xamar
It's easier than accepting that their ancestors pledged allegiance to Darood.
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