Somalia Says No To Continued Ethiopian Presence Past 2024 And Quint Partners Concur

[Hilmaam]

look at this idiot. MOU been in place for almost 10 months now ethiopia still hasnt withdrawn it and they are trying to entice Ethiopia to withdraw it by letting it be part of foreign occupying force AUSSOM. FGS is a joke

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Wasiirka Gaashandhiga Soomaaliya Abdulqadir Maxamed Nuur Itoobiya hadii aysan ka laaban heshiis beenaadkii kama mid noqonayso Ciidanka ATMIS badalaya.

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[Hilmaam]

This article stated Ethiopia has 3k troops as part of ATMIS still in country. Another 5,000-7,000 Ethiopian soldiers are stationed in several regions under a bilateral agreement. FGS seems to just talk about ATMIS when it has soldiers in country outside of framework. This shows how weak country is and that FGS is not capable of maintaining country territorial integrity from terrorists or foreigners.

Criticism goes to Federal member states as well who are also under Ethiopias thumb somaliland doing make believe recognition deals and giving away port for nothing. Puntland not siding with nation keeping Ethiopian ambassador and leader being quiet on issues yet has dreams of being president for country. Jubbaland SWS Hirshabelle and Galmudug pretty much colonies. somalia is zombie nation its dead but being kept alive unnaturally

think this quote from Barre also ominous for future:

Somalia: Ethiopian troops cannot be in AUSSOM, unless Somaliland deal nixed

Ethiopian-Somali tensions have been on the rise since January when Ethiopia signed a memorandum of understanding with Somaliland, a breakaway state from Somalia

www.voanews.com

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

Somalia is not Afghanistan because of its geostrategic location. If the west were to abandon Somalia, China would move in. The West is willing to pay ~$1.5 billion each year to keep piracy & terrorism down, starvation away and China out. Afghanistan is a landlocked Central Asian country surrounding by more powerful states.

Somalia in 2024 is better than it was in 2014, and Somalia in 2014 was better than Somalia in 2004. There has a been gradual upward trend in Somalia and that makes secessionists like our friend @Itsnotthateasy very nervous.

The formation of SSC-Khatumo has made them even more nervous. Time is not their friend, that is why they are willing to give up 400 sq km of land to Ethiopia in perpetuity, this is nearly 2x the size of Banaadir, absolute desperation. Going forward, Isaaq will be lucky if they can hold onto the land they currently have given Harti Woqoyi population growth.

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How does the RAND Corporation rate the increase in effectiveness of Somalia's government?
Neglible to be honest, it would take 500 years to reach medium government effectiveness.

How about to reach the level of Sudan/Dafur ? About 150 years.

The reports author:

This will be the topic of my next thread. The inevitable failure and end of the Somalia project and the possible end scenario.

 

[Hilmaam]

 

[Midas]

The reality is that somaljs faces a lot of challenges such as with alshabab and curbing the power of fms and developing an effective govt. But with all reosect to our muskims brothers. The ceiling of economic development and growth for somalia is much higher than in places like yemen or Afghanistan. Which have limited natural resources and large geographic constraints to develop infrastructure. And lack of major ports in the case of yemen beside aden. Somalia's small size means that we can use profit from the sale of natural resources to industrialization and develop a manufacturing base. There is also the fact that somali buisnessman have a network through easy africa which will only grow exponentially over the next 20-30 years regardless of the situation in somalia. This will probaly accelerate somalis development and help us like chinas bamboo network did when they opened their economy in 1989.

 

[Hilmaam]

The reality is that somaljs faces a lot of challenges such as with alshabab and curbing the power of fms and developing an effective govt. But with all reosect to our muskims brothers. The ceiling of economic development and growth for somalia is much higher than in places like yemen or Afghanistan. Which have limited natural resources and large geographic constraints to develop infrastructure. And lack of major ports in the case of yemen beside aden. Somalia's small size means that we can use profit from the sale of natural resources to industrialization and develop a manufacturing base. There is also the fact that somali buisnessman have a network through easy africa which will only grow exponentially over the next 20-30 years regardless of the situation in somalia. This will probaly accelerate somalis development and help us like chinas bamboo network did when they opened their economy in 1989.

Somalia is not small it’s big and spread Out. New York State is same population as whole of Somalia

 

[Midas]

Somalia is not small it’s big and spread Out. New York State is same

Were talking about the world stage . Somalia is around 20 million give or take a few. Ther are 77 countird larger than us. But this is not a bad thing since it's extremely difficult even borderline impossible to develop as a large country . If Somalia had pouplation of 50 or 60 million today I would have little hope for the future since you would need an extermely competent government.

 

[Hilmaam]

We’re talking about the world stage . Somalia is around 20 million give or take a few. Ther are 77 countird larger than us. But this is not a bad thing since it's extremely difficult even borderline impossible to develop as a large country . If Somalia had pouplation of 50 or 60 million today I would have little hope for the future since you would need an extermely competent government.

Agreed. Our land mass huge but as it stands today can’t support big population majority of land is warsteland with very little rain and bad soil

 

[Midas]

Agreed. Our land mass huge but as it stands today can’t support big population majority of land is warsteland with very little rain and bad soil

I think somalia should go the route of countries like kazakhstan. But will have the added advantage of our pouplation being 40-50 million by 2050 .

 

[Pastoralist]

look at this idiot. MOU been in place for almost 10 months now ethiopia still hasnt withdrawn it and they are trying to entice Ethiopia to withdraw it by letting it be part of foreign occupying force AUSSOM. FGS is a joke

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Wasiirka Gaashandhiga Soomaaliya Abdulqadir Maxamed Nuur Itoobiya hadii aysan ka laaban heshiis beenaadkii kama mid noqonayso Ciidanka ATMIS badalaya.

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the government said they came to an agreement with Ethiopia in turkey that is only commercial, they probably won’t act on the MOU further. Them remaining in Somalia with ill intentions makes FGS a joke though, have to say.

Wassirka arrimaha dibada Cali Cumar aya shirkadiis VOA kala hadlay 🇸🇴-🇪🇹-🇹🇷 xaruuc bada anu lagalnay 🇪🇹eh ah lacaag uhn iyo ciidan bada ahayn

skip to 7:50 in the interview https://www.voasomali.com/a/7811666.html

www.somalispot.com

but it has to be said, this is the weakest the FGS has ever been. When the leader is not firm, that‘l trickle down to who he puts in positions due to relationships. This man Mohamed Nur is the worst defence minister Somalia has ever had.

 

[Pastoralist]

“Gedo is captured”
“All out war with Ethiopia”

but he’s more focused on elections, puppets will remain so

 

[Hilmaam]

the government said they came to an agreement with Ethiopia in turkey that is only commercial, they probably won’t act on the MOU further. Them remaining in Somalia with ill intentions makes FGS a joke though, have to say.

Wassirka arrimaha dibada Cali Cumar aya shirkadiis VOA kala hadlay 🇸🇴-🇪🇹-🇹🇷 xaruuc bada anu lagalnay 🇪🇹eh ah lacaag uhn iyo ciidan bada ahayn

skip to 7:50 in the interview https://www.voasomali.com/a/7811666.html

www.somalispot.com

but it has to be said, this is the weakest the FGS has ever been. When the leader is not firm, that‘l trickle down to who he puts in positions due to relationships. This man Mohamed Nur is the worst defence minister Somalia has ever had.

Fgs is weak but it’s getting stronger every year look at how its muscling somaliland and at least taking on some bases and fight against Al shabab. Somali people don’t like harsh truth that we are colony of Kenya and Ethiopia. the veil was just lifted this year. How many years did Kenya have troops and control kismayo port. If Ethiopia takes over berbera port it’s not like it hasn’t happened before. We have been colonized for decades a lot of this outrage back home is not real in my opinion. It’s just to save face and most know reality of country that is deeply fractured.

This was 2013 Kenya controlled kismayo port. 11 years later they still in jubbaland. Ethiopia is too Somalia is not free country. lol we should have new Independence Day once all foreigners leave

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/kenya-says-ready-to-hand-over-control-of-somali-port-city-idUSBRE9750ZB/

 

[Pastoralist]

Fgs is weak but it’s getting stronger every year look at how its muscling somaliland and at least taking on some bases and fight against Al shabab. Somali people don’t like harsh truth that we are colony of Kenya and Ethiopia. the veil was just lifted this year. How many years did Kenya have troops and control kismayo port. If Ethiopia takes over berbera port it’s not like it hasn’t happened before. We have been colonized for decades a lot of this outrage back home is not real in my opinion. It’s just to save face and most know reality of country that is deeply fractured.

This was 2013 Kenya controlled kismayo port. 11 years later they still in jubbaland. Ethiopia is too Somalia is not free country. lol we should have new Independence Day once all foreigners leave

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/kenya-says-ready-to-hand-over-control-of-somali-port-city-idUSBRE9750ZB/

With a strong military we’d be no one’s colony. But our president does everything opposite to that. He chooses to empower clan militias and ghost soldiers rather than have a unified national army that would have membership likely reach hundreds of thousands in potential. your likely going to bring up budget, when our ally qatar would be more than happy to pay a large amount for us and pay until our country gains enough budget to support those troops. Qatar would need a financial statement from FGS every so often to measure growth of economy. The nations fragility doesn’t show itself when you have capable ministers on all fronts, that’s just the cold cut of it. Somalia can’t prosper if he stays.

 

[Hilmaam]

With a strong military we’d be no one’s colony. But our president does everything opposite to that. He chooses to empower clan militias and ghost soldiers rather than have a unified national army that would have membership likely reach hundreds of thousands for potential, your likely going to bring up budget, when our ally qatar would be more than happy to pay a large amount for us and pay until our country gains enough budget to support those troops. Qatar would need a financial statement from FGS every so often to measure growth of economy. The nations fragility doesn’t show itself when you have capable ministers on all fronts, that’s just the cold cut of it. Somalia can’t prosper if he stays.

Just my 2 cents but Somalia will only be unified through force. HSM doing calculated move. He wants to free Hirshabelle benadir and galmudug and is using locals which are mostly hawiyee.

Somalia has plenty of troops thousands of well trained people in sws, puntland and jubbaland. if there was real nationalism and unity they would combine forces and wipe out al shabab and replace foreigners. But nobody trusts other side. Fgs prefers foreigners because they don’t have to worry about losing land to another clan. The other FMS also don’t see land in the hawiyee states as theirs and don’t want to die for it. Somalia is mini clan states and none wants to help others. everyone just trying to secure their land the only reason they talk to fgs is because these clan states are broke and want western aid. Fgs and FMS are both clan interest based.of course there are exceptions but this is overall feel I get

Only group that’s nationalist and wants to fight for every inch is Al shabab and they willing to kill women and kids by thousands to reach their twisted vision for somaliwayne

 

[Pastoralist]

Just my 2 cents but Somalia will only be unified through force. HSM doing calculated move. He wants to free Hirshabelle benadir and galmudug and is using locals which are mostly hawiyee.

Yes force is the only way but not through unregulated, unprofessional, and undisciplined Qabil armies. A hawiye army sounds swell, why violate the arms embargo instead of strengthening SNA. Hawiye should rule with an iron fist if that’s what he seeks through Somalia’s military.

Somalia has plenty of troops thousands of well trained people in sws, puntland and jubbaland. if there was real nationalism and unity they would combine forces and wipe out al shabab and replace foreigners. But nobody trusts other side.

Mohamed nur said they’re combining danab SNA and gorgor so to some extent they’re trying what you said. That last sentence is just the reality though.

Fgs prefers foreigners because they don’t have to worry about losing land to another clan. The other FMS also don’t see land in the hawiyee states as theirs and don’t want to die for it. Somalia is mini clan states and none wants to help others. everyone just trying to secure their land the only reason they talk to fgs is because these clan states are broke and want western aid. Fgs and FMS are both clan interest based.of course there are exceptions but this is overall feel I get

This is the overall feeling of Somalia’s climate, but he actively does stuff to discredit Somalia’s military. Lowering their wage, sending them to hardly defensible positions early in AS war, and choosing to have all Somali military (gorgor) presence leave gedo which has now been taken over by Ethiopia.

Only group that’s nationalist and wants to fight for every inch is Al shabab and they willing to kill women and kids by thousands to reach their twisted vision for somaliwayne

What makes you say they’re nationalist?

 

[Hilmaam]

Yes force is the only way but not through unregulated, unprofessional, and undisciplined Qabil armies. A hawiye army sounds swell, why violate the arms embargo instead of strengthening SNA. Hawiye should rule with an iron fist if that’s what he seeks through Somalia’s military.

Mohamed nur said they’re combining danab SNA and gorgor so to some extent they’re trying what you said. That last sentence is just the reality though.

This is the overall feeling of Somalia’s climate, but he actively does stuff to discredit Somalia’s military. Lowering their wage, sending them to hardly defensible positions early in AS war, and choosing to have all Somali military (gorgor) presence leave gedo which has now been taken over by Ethiopia.


What makes you say they’re nationalist?

Their goal lies outside clan and current borders. They are fighting for Islamic state which is pipe dream, that encompasses land occupied by Kenya and Ethiopia. The war they want to wage will be bloody and last for long time . It’s religious/ethno nationalism . What other group pushes for Somaliweyne now a days it’s almost synonymous with terrorism

 

[Zak12]

Their goal lies outside clan and current borders. They are fighting for Islamic state which is pipe dream, that encompasses land occupied by Kenya and Ethiopia. The war they want to wage will be bloody and last for long time . It’s religious/ethno nationalism . What other group pushes for Somaliweyne now a days it’s almost synonymous with terrorism

Al-Shabab aren't nationalists at all lmao. What nationalists blow up and kill their own people? The last group to actually care about Somaliweyn were the ICU

 

[Hilmaam]

Al-Shabab aren't nationalists at all lmao. What nationalists blow up and kill their own people? The last group to actually care about Somaliweyn were the ICU

Al Shabab was part of ICU it was military wing

 

[Zak12]

Al Shabab was part of ICU it was military wing

Yes but Al-Shabab was kept in check during that time. ICU wasn't blowing anyone up

 

[Hilmaam]