The Ajuraan- a view from the oral tradition

[Grant]

I'll give you the sources and the links will be at the bottom. Read all these facts and admit everything you said was made up and that I was right every single time.

Mogadishu was not an Arab enclave according to a 12th century historian called Yaqut al-Hamawi stated that Mogadishu was inhabited by Swarthly Berbers who are ancestors of Somali people today. What do you think of that? Read the source from below.

Ajuran coast stretched from Hobyo to Kismayo so anything between was also under their domain including Mogadishu.

Definition of domain: an area of territory owned or controlled by a particular ruler or government.

"The Ajuran Sultanate covered much of southern and central Somalia and eastern Ethiopia, with its domain extending from Hobyo in the north, to Qelafo in the west, to Kismayo in the south."

The map is factual and it shows you the ports Ajuran controlled/governed. Please do not deny this map.

Ajuran Sultanate did have foreign trade relationship around the world and its coastal provinces flourished.

Ajuran did build ships. They had a powerful navy and done naval expedition as far as southeast Asia with their Ottoman allies to weaken Portuguese influence in the Indian Ocean.

Here is the model of Ajuran boat and it was called Ajuran markab.

Link 1: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=X1dDDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA59&dq=Ajuran+Imamate+the+largest+multi-clan&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjhzIv5xuzbAhWTXsAKHfZlCXEQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=Ajuran Imamate the largest multi-clan&f=false

Link 2: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=FlL2vE_qRQ8C&pg=PA36&dq=Yaqut+Al+Hamawi+dark+skin+berbers+mogadishu+Somali&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiX6OPL3_HbAhXJ1qQKHUKqDVIQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=Yaqut Al Hamawi dark skin berbers mogadishu Somali&f=false

Please don't be repetitive troll and just stop being stubborn and naive. At least be honest like @James Dahl who admits he's wrong sometimes.

Ah. You like my source.

Link one. There is not one word there about Somali ships. Merka and Baraawe were under Portugal and the ships were Indian.

Link two. No Ajuraan ships. Note the dates 1150-1250. Sofala was not a mine but a trading center. The business was in the hands of Arabs, some of whom may have come from Mog. By the mid-1200s the trade was controlled by Arabs at Kilwa.

http://www.fsmitha.com/h3/h15-af4.htm

"From the 1100s, Arabs began arriving in greater number in this coastal area. In the 1200s Mombasa became staunchly Muslim, and a Muslim dynasty was established at Kilwa. By the mid-1200s, Kilwa controlled the trade fromSofala to its south, Sofala being a point of departure for gold from inland."

 

[Factz]

Ah. You like my source.

Link one. There is not one word there about Somali ships. Merka and Baraawe were under Portugal and the ships were Indian.

Link two. No Ajuraan ships. Note the dates 1150-1250. Sofala wass not a mine but a trading center. The business was in the hands of Arabs, some of whom may have come from Mog. By the mid-1200s the trade was controlled by Arabs at Kilwa.

http://www.fsmitha.com/h3/h15-af4.htm

"From the 1100s, Arabs began arriving in greater number in this coastal area. In the 1200s Mombasa became staunchly Muslim, and a Muslim dynasty was established at Kilwa. By the mid-1200s, Kilwa controlled the trade fromSofala to its south, Sofala being a point of departure for gold from inland."

You never change lol, even if the authentic sources are in your face. I just gave you a source where it says Ajuran navy doing a naval expedition with their Ottoman ally as far as southeast Asia. How seriously can you be this comprehensive? It also shows you the Ajuran model ship.

Portuguese Empire did not control any Somali coast, Ajurans successfully repelled them. Barawa and Merca were major Ajuran ports you liar.

The European Age of discovery brought Europe's then superpower the Portuguese empire to the coast of East Africa, which at the time enjoyed a flourishing trade with foreign nations. The wealthy southeastern city-states of Kilwa, Mombasa, Malindi, Pate and Lamu were all systematically sacked and plundered by the Portuguese. Tristão da Cunha then set his eyes on Ajuran Empire territory, where the Battle of Barawa was fought. After a long period of engagement, the Portuguese soldiers burned the city and looted it. However, fierce resistance by the local population and soldiers resulted in the failure of the Portuguese to permanently occupy the city and eventually the Portuguese would be decisively defeated by the powerful Somalis from Ajuran Empire, and the inhabitants who had fled to the interior would eventually return and rebuild the city. Tristão da Cunha was later severely wounded and sought refuge in Socotra islands after losing his men and ships. After losing the war with the Ajuran Empire over the fail attempt to capture Barawa. After the battle the city of Barawa quickly recovered from the attack.[58]

More source below. Ajuran won in Barawa war.

Here is where Ajuran successfully defeated all Portuguese raids when it raided its coast.

Get your stupid blog outta here. Bring sources, not made up blogs. Somali merchants from Mogadishu established a colony in Sofala. Seriously why are you trying to discredit the Somali history for? Read the source below.

Here is the link: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=FlL2vE_qRQ8C&pg=PA36&dq=Yaqut+Al+Hamawi+dark+skin+berbers+mogadishu+Somali&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiX6OPL3_HbAhXJ1qQKHUKqDVIQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=Yaqut Al Hamawi dark skin berbers mogadishu Somali&f=false

It's the same source where it tells you Mogadishu was always dominated by Somalis.

 

[Grant]

How can Mogadishu be a Sand enclave? When my forefathers were traders in there for centuries?

The Hiraab killed the Muzzaffar Governor about 1624 and entered the city. Before that, locals were not allowed in the city after dark. If your forefathers acted fast that would have given them almost 400 years.

 

[Factz]

The Hiraab killed the Muzzaffar Governor about 1624 and entered the city. Before that, locals were not allowed in the city after dark. If your forefathers acted fast that would have given them almost 400 years.

Only Hiraab were not allowed in Mogadishu. Ajuran had already established settlements in Mogadishu and the Muzzaffar Governors of Mogadishu province of Ajuran Kingdom were related to the Ajurans.

 

[Grant]

You never change lol, even if the authentic sources are in your face. I just gave you a source where it says Ajuran navy doing a naval expedition with their Ottoman ally as far as southeast Asia. How seriously can you be this comprehensive? It also shows you the Ajuran model ship.

Portuguese Empire did not control any Somali coast, Ajurans successfully repelled them. Barawa and Merca were major Ajuran ports you liar.

The European Age of discovery brought Europe's then superpower the Portuguese empire to the coast of East Africa, which at the time enjoyed a flourishing trade with foreign nations. The wealthy southeastern city-states of Kilwa, Mombasa, Malindi, Pate and Lamu were all systematically sacked and plundered by the Portuguese. Tristão da Cunha then set his eyes on Ajuran Empire territory, where the Battle of Barawa was fought. After a long period of engagement, the Portuguese soldiers burned the city and looted it. However, fierce resistance by the local population and soldiers resulted in the failure of the Portuguese to permanently occupy the city and eventually the Portuguese would be decisively defeated by the powerful Somalis from Ajuran Empire, and the inhabitants who had fled to the interior would eventually return and rebuild the city. Tristão da Cunha was later severely wounded and sought refuge in Socotra islands after losing his men and ships. After losing the war with the Ajuran Empire over the fail attempt to capture Barawa. After the battle the city of Barawa quickly recovered from the attack.[58]

More source below. Ajuran won in Barawa war.

Here is where Ajuran successfully defeated all Portuguese raids when it raided its coast.

Get your stupid blog outta here. Bring sources, not made up blogs. Somali merchants from Mogadishu established a colony in Sofala. Seriously why are you trying to discredit the Somali history for? Read the source below.

Here is the link: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=FlL2vE_qRQ8C&pg=PA36&dq=Yaqut+Al+Hamawi+dark+skin+berbers+mogadishu+Somali&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiX6OPL3_HbAhXJ1qQKHUKqDVIQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=Yaqut Al Hamawi dark skin berbers mogadishu Somali&f=false

It's the same source where it tells you Mogadishu was always dominated by Somalis.

Note in your quote that Adal is only established by newly converted African Muslim merchants in 1403. Still no Somali ships.

This is Wiki, but it doesn't look like anyone has gotten to it yet. That "blog" has the earlier period. Sofala was Swahili by 1250.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_expedition_to_Sofala_(Anaia,_1505)


Sofala ("Cefala") from the atlas "Africae tabula nova", of Abraham Ortelius (Antwerp, 1570).
Sofala was one of several Muslim Swahili commercial city-states in East Africa under the sway of the Kilwa Sultanate. Around 1489, Sofala had been visited by the Portuguese spy Pêro da Covilhã, who identified it as the principal emporium for the gold trade with the interior kingdom of Monomatapa. The Portuguese crown had been eager to tap into that gold source, and made it a priority for its early Portuguese India Armadas to find the city.

In 1498, Vasco da Gama visited several cities along the Swahili Coast, but did not find Sofala. In 1501, captain Sancho de Tovar located the city from the sea, but did not go ashore. Finally, in 1502, Vasco da Gama returned to the area with a new fleet, and, while idling on Mozambique Island, dispatched a detachment of boats under Pedro Afonso de Aguiar to visit Sofala.[1]

Arriving at the city, Pedro Afonso de Aguiar sought out an audience with the blind octagenarian sheikh Isuf of Sofala (Yçuf in Barros Çufe in Goes), whom he took to be the ruler of Sofala. In fact, Isuf's authority was ambiguous. Formally, Sofala still belonged to the inland Bantu kingdom of the Monomatapa, and sheikh Isuf was merely the leader of the Swahili community in the city, who paid tribute to Monomatapa for permission to reside and trade there. The community itself was under the legal supervision of the Kilwa Sultanate, and Isuf was originally an appointee of the Sultan of Kilwa. Sheikh Isuf was more of a Kilwan consul than a ruler.

Nonetheless, since the usurpation by Emir Muhammad in Kilwa back in 1495, sheikh Isuf had been charting an independent course for his community in Sofala. The Portuguese, with their powerful ships, seemed to offer the key to shaking off Kilwa's authority. At any rate, the elderly sheikh Isuf realized it would be better to make allies rather than enemies out of the Portuguese, and so agreed to Aguiar's proposals and signed a treaty of commercial and political alliance with the Kingdom of Portugal.

 

[Factz]

Note in you quote that Adal is only established by newly converted African Muslim merchants in 1403. Still no Somali ships.

This is Wiki, but it doesn't look like anyone has gotten to it yet. That "blog" has the earlier period. Sofala was Swahili by 1250.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_expedition_to_Sofala_(Anaia,_1505)


Sofala ("Cefala") from the atlas "Africae tabula nova", of Abraham Ortelius (Antwerp, 1570).
Sofala was one of several Muslim Swahili commercial city-states in East Africa under the sway of the Kilwa Sultanate. Around 1489, Sofala had been visited by the Portuguese spy Pêro da Covilhã, who identified it as the principal emporium for the gold trade with the interior kingdom of Monomatapa. The Portuguese crown had been eager to tap into that gold source, and made it a priority for its early Portuguese India Armadas to find the city.

In 1498, Vasco da Gama visited several cities along the Swahili Coast, but did not find Sofala. In 1501, captain Sancho de Tovar located the city from the sea, but did not go ashore. Finally, in 1502, Vasco da Gama returned to the area with a new fleet, and, while idling on Mozambique Island, dispatched a detachment of boats under Pedro Afonso de Aguiar to visit Sofala.[1]

Arriving at the city, Pedro Afonso de Aguiar sought out an audience with the blind octagenarian sheikh Isuf of Sofala (Yçuf in Barros Çufe in Goes), whom he took to be the ruler of Sofala. In fact, Isuf's authority was ambiguous. Formally, Sofala still belonged to the inland Bantu kingdom of the Monomatapa, and sheikh Isuf was merely the leader of the Swahili community in the city, who paid tribute to Monomatapa for permission to reside and trade there. The community itself was under the legal supervision of the Kilwa Sultanate, and Isuf was originally an appointee of the Sultan of Kilwa. Sheikh Isuf was more of a Kilwan consul than a ruler.

Nonetheless, since the usurpation by Emir Muhammad in Kilwa back in 1495, sheikh Isuf had been charting an independent course for his community in Sofala. The Portuguese, with their powerful ships, seemed to offer the key to shaking off Kilwa's authority. At any rate, the elderly sheikh Isuf realized it would be better to make allies rather than enemies out of the Portuguese, and so agreed to Aguiar's proposals and signed a treaty of commercial and political alliance with the Kingdom of Portugal.

Why are you showing me a Wiki page where Portuguese colonized Sofala in the 16th century? Somali merchants from Mogadishu established a colony much earlier in Sofala and how did they reach there? Because they had boats and sailed there you moron.

I'll give you an example. Look at this historical picture from below.

Read this source again.

 

[Grant]

Why are you showing me a Wiki page where Portuguese colonized Sofala in the 16th century? Somali merchants from Mogadishu established a colony much earlier in Sofala and how did they reach there? Because they had boats and sailed there you moron.

I'll give you an example. Look at this historical picture from below.

Read this source again.

I have been to that source, and I showed you why the merchants from Mog were not Somali. Again, Sofala was not a mine.

 

[James Dahl]

I'm pretty sure the gold from Sofala was mined in the interior of what is now Zimbabwe and Sofala was where it was traded, not extracted.

Also pedantic point but Ajuuraan are not Hawiye nor a Hawiye confederation. This is revisionist history, the Ajuuraan were an absolute monarchy and ruled over a subset of the Gorgaate Hawiye clan, which at the time was the smaller and weaker branch and the Karanle Hawiye were the strong, senior branch, and lived near Harar. Gorgaate Hawiye travelled with Ajuuraan down the Shabelle river when the Ajuuraan kingdom was founded.

 

[Factz]

I have been to that source, and I showed you why the merchants from Mog were not Somali. Again, Sofala was not a mine.

You didn't show me anything old man. I've shown you a book well documented while you're showing me blogs and wikipedia where people can abuse their editting skills. The source says Somali merchants establishing a colony. Source also says Mogadishu were inhabited by dark skin Berbers (Somalis). I've given you the link, now swallow those facts.

 

[Grant]

I'm pretty sure the gold from Sofala was mined in the interior of what is now Zimbabwe and Sofala was where it was traded, not extracted.

Also pedantic point but Ajuuraan are not Hawiye nor a Hawiye confederation. This is revisionist history, the Ajuuraan were an absolute monarchy and ruled over a subset of the Gorgaate Hawiye clan, which at the time was the smaller and weaker branch and the Karanle Hawiye were the strong, senior branch, and lived near Harar. Gorgaate Hawiye travelled with Ajuuraan down the Shabelle river when the Ajuuraan kingdom was founded.

Perhaps you should have a talk with Wiki?

This says the Gareen ruled a kingdom in the Hawiyye homeland around Kelafo long before they became the Ajuraan Imamate. I think you're conflating. Note the evolution of the Islamic state. I also found the notes on the bottom on Olol Dinle of interest. I don't find the later dating or duration credible, but the early 13th century part seems to agree both with your date for Imam Dayle (1251) and the theoretical formation of the clans. The Ajuraan did'nt so much collapse as fall apart. Most of Reer Imam moved south, but all the component Hawiyye clans remained. Are you saying the remaining Ajuraan should be called Reer Balad?

You are the abtirsi expert, but I have seen several recently that show Ajuraan under Fadumo Jambelle Hawiye by Saint Bal'ad. I don't think I have to go get the link.


"Kelafo
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Kelafo (Somali: Qalaafe) is a town in eastern Ethiopia. Located in the Gode Zone of the Somali Region, this town has a latitude and longitude of 05°35′20″N 44°12′20″E and an elevation of 233 meters above sea level.

History[edit]
The city is one of the oldest in the horn of Africa and became the center of the Ajuran Sultanate in the early 13 century. for hundreds of years it served the powerful Ajuran empire that covered a huge part of Somalia and was connecting the trade routes of the Ogaden and that of Southern Somalia.

For a long time the city was ruled by The Gareen dynasty. The House of Garen was the ruling hereditary dynasty of the Ajuran Sultanate. Its origin lies in the Garen Kingdom that during the 13th century ruled parts of the Ogaden, the Somali region of Ethiopia. With the migration of Somalis from the northern half of the Horn region to the southern half, new cultural and religious orders were introduced that influenced the administrative structure of the dynasty, a system of governance which began to evolve into an Islamic government. Through their genealogical Baraka, which came from the saint Balad (who was known to have come from outside the Garen Kingdom), the Garen rulers claimed supremacy and religious legitimacy over other groups in the Horn of Africa. Balad's ancestors are said to have come from the historical northern region of Barbara.

The Gareen empire had collapsed during the late 17th century after ruling for 500 years, and a slow decline had set in over the centuries, leading to the eventual demise of the Ajuran state during the 18th century and the end of strong central leadership amongst the Ajuran. Ajuran tribes lived and still live throughout Somali inhabited lands in Ethiopia, Somalia and Kenya.

According to some Ajuran traditions, Olol Dinle who was related directly to the Gareen Dynasty carved a new Ajuran Sultanate out of the upper reaches of the Wadi Shabelle, centered at Kelafo, the traditional capital at the turn of the 20th century.

Olol Dinle and his sultanate became embroiled in the politics of the day, aligning himself with the Italian colonial authorities. In 1915, Sultan Olol Dinle of Kelafo, Sultan Ali Yusuf Kenadid of Hobyo, and the Italian Somaliland government attempted to dislodge the Darwiish forces of Sayyid Mohammed Abdullah Hassan, who had conquered territory near Beledweyne in their rapid advance southwards. In recognition of Italy's alliance with Olol Dinle, he was dubbed the "Sultan of Sciavelli (Shabelle)" in the early 1930s."

 

[Darawalka]

All in saying is if the Ajuran enpire was such a forcd in the region, then why isn't mentioned often in historical discussions about thd regional forces. Again, if you were writing a university paper about this, your professor would ask what were the conditions for a battle loss.

Haven't you studied history properly in high school? Winning a battle as a much less dominant force cannot be used as evidence that they were a force to be reckoned with. The Eritreans won against the Ethiopians because of a defensive terrain advantage. To talk about Ajuran being a regional superpower, you need to establish these achievements aren't flukes or those of a brilliant captain or general or the enemies bad circumstances.

Did they wrest control of the regional waters alone or under an alliance with an actual superpower? Was it a singnificant period of time?

Did they hold territory abroad, for how long?

The Ottomans, the Omanis, and the Portuguese tick those boxes. You'll need more proofs than that to establish Ajuran were more than a minor player in an alliance with a powerhouse.

Get into specifics also! What omani sultanate was beaten?

I find this trivia interesting anyway because somali history hasn't been documented as widely

 

[Factz]

All in saying is if the Ajuran enpire was such a forcd in the region, then why isn't mentioned often in historical discussions about thd regional forces. Again, if you were writing a university paper about this, your professor would ask what were the conditions for a battle loss.

Haven't you studied history properly in high school? Winning a battle as a much less dominant force cannot be used as evidence that they were a force to be reckoned with. The Eritreans won against the Ethiopians because of a defensive terrain advantage. To talk about Ajuran being a regional superpower, you need to establish these achievements aren't flukes or those of a brilliant captain or general or the enemies bad circumstances.

Did they wrest control of the regional waters alone or under an alliance with an actual superpower? Was it a singnificant period of time?

Did they hold territory abroad, for how long?

The Ottomans, the Omanis, and the Portuguese tick those boxes. You'll need more proofs than that to establish Ajuran were more than a minor player in an alliance with a powerhouse.

Get into specifics also! What omani sultanate was beaten?

I find this trivia interesting anyway because somali history hasn't been documented as widely

Ajuran is well documented and they've done so much for Africa's history. It's one of the most talked about African civilizations. Here and study them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajuran_Sultanate

Somali history is not fully documented because of lack of researchers and the civil war stopped historians from researching our country. We only have traditions and old scripts and thankfully the foreign nations we traded also documented some of our civilizations like the Ajuran for example.

All I know is Somalia has gone more peaceful and more Somali historians are coming to cover all our history and more museums are being built. It's a good news so far.

 

[Crow]

Ajuran is well documented and they've done so much for Africa's history. It's one of the most talked about African civilizations. Here and study them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajuran_Sultanate

Somali history is not fully documented because of lack of researchers and the civil war stopped historians from researching our country. We only have traditions and old scripts and thankfully the foreign nations we traded also documented some of our civilizations like the Ajuran for example.

All I know is Somalia has gone more peaceful and more Somali historians are coming to cover all our history and more museums are being built. It's a good news so far.

I can't wait for the corpses and battle gear of the Adal-Habesh wars to be discovered. There is also the evidence of the battle of Baraawe that is also undiscovered. And that's just the stuff we know about. Once the historians start looking, we will see a Somali history renaissance.

 

[White]

The thread was in response to https://www.somalispot.com/threads/ajuran-empire-superpower-in-the-indian-ocean.44517/

It's utter BS

The Ajuraan were an interior confederation of Hawiyye tribes. They did not build or have ships. They did not control Mog or have a foreign commercial empire. Mog was an Arab enclave until about 1624 and access from the sea was controlled by either Yemen or Oman thereafter.

Wut? The somali peninsula has always been a lucrative trade zone. Somalis are also a seafaring people, it can seen throughout our history as traders. Ajuran dominated the indian ocean trade! The ajuran and their succesors ports have flourished! If it wasn't so lucrative then they wouldn't be having ships sailing to Arabia, india, Portugal, and China.

Somalis have been building ships since the antique. Somali ship building is an ancient affair and has always existed. Just look at the ancient beden boat.

 

[James Dahl]

Fadumo Jambeele Hawiye was Ajuuraan's mother, that is the Jambeele Hawiye connection

 

[Darawalka]

Waryaa @Darawalka who thought you history? probably your Cadaan racist stepfather.
Ajuuraan is well documented, but you were just dumped with uncle sam history.

@Nasiib Gaashaan Cade aduu horta naga bax, ciyaal yar oo bila edeb ah baad tahay. Na dhaaf

Annu ma diidani Ajuraan inay ahaan jirtey waddan mideysan, xoog leh, iyo xidhiidh la lahaan jirtey wadamada kalee dhowdhow iyo kuwii shisheye sida shiinaaha. Lakiin in la yidhaahdo way ka sii xog badnayd cumaniinta wa qosol, mar ha ba kabadiso, taasi way u cadaynesaa inay ka ficil badnayd iyo ka taariikh badnayd xagaa nolol badeed lo ma odhan karo! hayaay waxay logic darada intaa leeg!

Annu carbaha aan ku noolan jiray, taarikhdooda waan aqaana. cumaaniinta adoon bay soo qabsadeen, dalal kale bay gumaysan jiray, haba yaraadan kuwii ay qabsadeen. Ajuuranka dagaalka sii wayn kamay qayb qaadan jirtey oo waayo waxay ku sii hoos jirtay ciidanka turkishka. Iyaga dagaalada intooda badan iyo inta ugu adag ka qayb qaadan jirtay.

If Ajuuran's were very instrumental and huge players in defeating the Portuguese, it would be much more reflected in other sources about the wars and in several of them. But they weren't, as a nation they were more concerned with Oromos pushing in regularly, trade with their Red Sea & Indian Ocean trade partners, and defense when the Portuguese came. Battles they took part in were in joint with the much more advanced and experienced Ottomans who undeniably did the heavy lifting. Ajuran's were in control of their waters and had a immensely mutually beneficial alliance with the Ottomans, but let's not conflate losing to a Portuguese siege and rebuilding fast and freeing a captured Bantu port city as them being a military superpower.

That's not enough info to definitively argue that. That source is lacking in details. You would know this if you've taken a senior high school level or college level history course which you might have I don't know. That source doesn't even mention estimated army size/fleet size, what circumstances lead to the defeat or win, was there a winning streak or losing one?

I respect you @Factz , you're quite informed on Somali medieval history. Lakin cadeen cayiman ba ka maqan

Bas, hadaba wax kale odhan maayo

 

[Nasiib Gaashaan Cade]

@Nasiib Gaashaan Cade aduu horta naga bax, ciyaal yar oo bila edeb ah baad tahay. Na dhaaf

Annu ma diidani Ajuraan inay ahaan jirtey waddan mideysan, xoog leh, iyo xidhiidh la lahaan jirtey wadamada kalee dhowdhow iyo kuwii shisheye sida shiinaaha. Lakiin in la yidhaahdo way ka sii xog badnayd cumaniinta wa qosol, mar ha ba kabadiso, taasi way u cadaynesaa inay ka ficil badnayd iyo ka taariikh badnayd xagaa nolol badeed lo ma odhan karo! hayaay waxay logic darada intaa leeg!

Annu carbaha aan ku noolan jiray, taarikhdooda waan aqaana. cumaaniinta adoon bay soo qabsadeen, dalal kale bay gumaysan jiray, haba yaraadan kuwii ay qabsadeen. Ajuuranka dagaalka sii wayn kamay qayb qaadan jirtey oo waayo waxay ku sii hoos jirtay ciidanka turkishka. Iyaga dagaalada intooda badan iyo inta ugu adag ka qayb qaadan jirtay.

If Ajuuran's were very instrumental and huge players in defeating the Portuguese, it would be much more reflected in other sources about the wars and in several of them. But they weren't, as a nation they were more concerned with Oromos pushing in regularly, trade with their Red Sea & Indian Ocean trade partners, and defense when the Portuguese came. Battles they took part in were in joint with the much more advanced and experienced Ottomans who undeniably did the heavy lifting. Ajuran's were in control of their waters and had a immensely mutually beneficial alliance with the Ottomans, but let's not conflate losing to a Portuguese siege and rebuilding fast and freeing a captured Bantu port city as them being a military superpower.

That's not enough info to definitively argue that. That source is lacking in details. You would know this if you've taken a senior high school level or college level history course which you might have I don't know. That source doesn't even mention estimated army size/fleet size, what circumstances lead to the defeat or win, was there a winning streak or losing one?

I respect you @Factz , you're quite informed on Somali medieval history. Lakin cadeen cayiman ba ka maqan

Bas, hadaba wax kale odhan maayo

Waan kuu jeedaa waxaad tahay nin taariikhdiisu hal dhinac uraran tahay.
Oo waxa kaa dhaadhacsan Somalida waligood karti iyo awood meysan laheyn, taana qalad kuma lihid oo waxa garashadaada iyo fahankaaga shaki ku beeraya, markaad eegto dhibaatooyinkii aanu soo madhnay qarnigii lasoo dhaafay.
Oo tabar daradii aanu ku sugneyn ila kala fiirdhankii baa kalsoni daro baahsan garowshaaga ku beertay taana waa wax dadyowgoo dhami ama sidey ubadan yihiin shaki ku beeri karta.
Ee walaalo waxa kugu odhan lahaa sooyaalka Somalida kan ree miyiga un ha badhane ee kan ree magaalkana u kuura gal baadhitaana ku samee hadaad weydo waa intaayo wax ku shaki bixiyaa ood ku qanacdo heshaaye.

 

[Grant]

Fadumo Jambeele Hawiye was Ajuuraan's mother, that is the Jambeele Hawiye connection

No issue. My question was if it was this uterine connection that makes you say the Auraan are not Hawiyye? Do you consider the Ajuraan to be Reer Balad?

 

[James Dahl]

No issue. My question was if it was this uterine connection that makes you say the Auraan are not Hawiyye? Do you consider the Ajuraan to be Reer Balad?

Ajuuraan
Aqiil
Aadan
Ibrahiim "Balcadde"
Calaama "Baqoon"
Balcad
Edimoole
Kaaley
Faas
Siroole
Xarmalle
Samaale

 

[Factz]

Ajuuraan
Aqiil
Aadan
Ibrahiim "Balcadde"
Calaama "Baqoon"
Balcad
Edimoole
Kaaley
Faas
Siroole
Xamare "Xarmalle"
Samaale

Thank you! All the sources I read from said Ajuran were a stand alone clan that ruled over their subjects such as Hawiye, Rahanweyn, Bimaal, Mandile and others. In fact, Ajuran had massive settlements in Mogadishu and the Muzzaffar were a sub dynasty of the Garen. According to modern day historians they were related.