The Dysfunctional Somali Diaspora Household: A Analysis
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not to derail but weren't you a muslim when you made this username? what changed?
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Wanaag iyo Dhiig kar
It’s disturbing how familiar these character sounds . Keep going walaal
@IslamIsTheAnswer you cool in my book..keep it coming
An Article written by a Jewish Minnesota native Writer recently About Somalis thriving in small town Minnesota. Somalis not only are they contributing to the city but teaching their SOMALI language TO AMERICANS so there is an understanding and co-operation between city residents. Somalis are proud nomads who do not trade what is good for them for something less but will also take what is good form their negibhours. That is how things should be. No compromise on culture while accepting what is good in others and teach them your side so they learn about the common thread between people.
Here is the article. Compare this story to the trash This due is posting in the name of satire. People like this guy is why Somalis dread having kids like him.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/14/...l?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
President Trump, Come to Willmar
This Minnesota town is a modern, successful American melting pot.
By Thomas L. Friedman
Opinion Columnist
Faiza Dalmar Awil crossing the street between her restaurant, Somali Star, and her shop in Willmar, Minn.CreditJenn Ackerman for The New York Times
Faiza Dalmar Awil crossing the street between her restaurant, Somali Star, and her shop in Willmar, Minn.CreditCreditJenn Ackerman for The New York Times
WILLMAR, Minn. — In 1949 my aunt and uncle moved from Minneapolis to this town in west-central Minnesota, where they started a small steel distribution company. I visited them regularly for 50 years. About 40 years ago, my aunt whispered to me one day that she had been in her local grocery store and had heard someone … “speaking Spanish.”
It was said with wonderment not malice, like, “You’re not gonna believe this, Tom, but some Martians landed in Willmar.” It was surely my aunt’s first encounter with new immigrants in her largely white, Lutheran, Scandinavian town, where she and her husband — two Minnesota Jews (known as the “frozen chosen”) — had been about the most exotic things going for years.
I never forgot her comment, and, since I’ve been visiting towns around America for the past two years, I decided to go back to Willmar to see how it had changed since my aunt and uncle passed away over a decade ago. I started my tour at Willmar High School, where the principal, Paul Schmitz, began by showing me a big stainless steel world map hanging in the lobby, with pins representing all the different places the students hail from.
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The cliché about America today is that we’re a country divided between two coasts — two coasts that are liberalizing, pluralizing, globalizing and modernizing. And in between is “flyover America,” where everyone voted for Donald Trump, is suffering from addictions and is waiting for the 1950s to return.
That’s not what I’ve found. America is actually a checkerboard of towns and cities — some rising from the bottom up and others collapsing from the top down, ravaged by opioids, high unemployment among less-educated white males and a soaring suicide rate. I’ve been trying to understand why some communities rise and others fall — and so many of the answers can be found in Willmar.
The answers to three questions in particular make all the difference: 1) Is your town hungry for workers to fill open jobs? 2) Can your town embrace the new immigrants ready to do those jobs, immigrants who may come not just from Latin America, but also from nonwhite and non-Christian nations of Africa or Asia? And 3) Does your town have a critical mass of “leaders without authority”?
These are business leaders, educators, philanthropists and social entrepreneurs ready to lead their community toward inclusion and problem-solving — even if formal leaders won’t. These leaders without authority check their party politics at the door and focus only on what works. They also network together into what I call “complex adaptive coalitions” to spearhead both economic and societal change.
Willmar has the right answers to all three questions. It has almost zero unemployment. If you can fog up a mirror, you can get a job in Willmar — whether as an agriculture scientist or as a meatpacker for the Jennie-O turkey plant. The math is simple: There just aren’t enough white Lutheran Scandinavians to fill those jobs.
Many of the people coming here for work are people who practice faiths not previously common in these parts, like Islam, Bahai and Buddhism; whose skin is much darker than the locals’; and whose women often wear head coverings that aren’t baseball caps. They alsodon’t speak with Minnesota accents like those folks in the movie “Fargo.”
Have no doubt, the battle for inclusion is a daily struggle in Willmar and across Minnesota — and in some towns the battle is still being lost. But if you are looking for a reason to be hopeful, it’s the fact that in places like Willmar, a lot of people want to get caught trying.
In Minnesota, the towns that are rising are places “that have said we need a trained work force with a good work ethic and we’ll embrace a redefined sense of community to get that,” explained Dana Mortenson, C.E.O. of World Savvy, a global education organization that also works in Minnesota towns. And the ones that are struggling — and losing both jobs and population — “are often the ones who can’t manage this new inclusion challenge.”
communities I’ve visited: Gidi Grinstein, the Israeli social entrepreneur and founder of Reut, calls it “extending the yoke — so you have so many more parts of the community pulling together toward a common vision of resilience and prosperity.”
One example is the Community Integration Center, which some Somali social entrepreneurs opened in 2017 to teach Somalis English and Minnesota culture and to teach Willmarites Somali and Somali culture.
“We chose the name ‘community’ because we want everyone to have a sense of belonging, and we chose the name ‘integration’ because we wanted to bring the community together,” said Abdirahman Ahmed,the executive director. “We have English classes for Somali adults in the afternoon, and we have the Somali classes every Thursday at 5:30 p.m. for non-Somalis. We start by teaching them the Somali alphabet and then from there the vocabulary and culture.”
MPRnews.com reported about Itasca, “Until Trump’s victory there, Herbert Hoover was the last Republican to earn a majority of the votes in Itasca Country.”
Willmar’s mayor, Marv Calvin, is exhibit A of why leadership from positions of authority also matters — because so many people in a community take their cues from mayors, principals and agency heads. Now in his fifth year on the job, Calvin is a former fire chief. He and his wife had lived on nearby Lake Andrew, but now reside in town. He comes across as a big good ol’ boy, who leans conservative, but underneath is a steely resolve to do whatever it takes to transform Willmar for the 21st century.
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Here is the article. Compare this story to the trash This due is posting in the name of satire. People like this guy is why Somalis dread having kids like him.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/14/...l?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
President Trump, Come to Willmar
This Minnesota town is a modern, successful American melting pot.
By Thomas L. Friedman
Opinion Columnist
- May 14, 2019
Faiza Dalmar Awil crossing the street between her restaurant, Somali Star, and her shop in Willmar, Minn.CreditJenn Ackerman for The New York Times
Faiza Dalmar Awil crossing the street between her restaurant, Somali Star, and her shop in Willmar, Minn.CreditCreditJenn Ackerman for The New York Times
WILLMAR, Minn. — In 1949 my aunt and uncle moved from Minneapolis to this town in west-central Minnesota, where they started a small steel distribution company. I visited them regularly for 50 years. About 40 years ago, my aunt whispered to me one day that she had been in her local grocery store and had heard someone … “speaking Spanish.”
It was said with wonderment not malice, like, “You’re not gonna believe this, Tom, but some Martians landed in Willmar.” It was surely my aunt’s first encounter with new immigrants in her largely white, Lutheran, Scandinavian town, where she and her husband — two Minnesota Jews (known as the “frozen chosen”) — had been about the most exotic things going for years.
I never forgot her comment, and, since I’ve been visiting towns around America for the past two years, I decided to go back to Willmar to see how it had changed since my aunt and uncle passed away over a decade ago. I started my tour at Willmar High School, where the principal, Paul Schmitz, began by showing me a big stainless steel world map hanging in the lobby, with pins representing all the different places the students hail from.
Subscribe for $1/week until you graduate.
The cliché about America today is that we’re a country divided between two coasts — two coasts that are liberalizing, pluralizing, globalizing and modernizing. And in between is “flyover America,” where everyone voted for Donald Trump, is suffering from addictions and is waiting for the 1950s to return.
That’s not what I’ve found. America is actually a checkerboard of towns and cities — some rising from the bottom up and others collapsing from the top down, ravaged by opioids, high unemployment among less-educated white males and a soaring suicide rate. I’ve been trying to understand why some communities rise and others fall — and so many of the answers can be found in Willmar.
The answers to three questions in particular make all the difference: 1) Is your town hungry for workers to fill open jobs? 2) Can your town embrace the new immigrants ready to do those jobs, immigrants who may come not just from Latin America, but also from nonwhite and non-Christian nations of Africa or Asia? And 3) Does your town have a critical mass of “leaders without authority”?
These are business leaders, educators, philanthropists and social entrepreneurs ready to lead their community toward inclusion and problem-solving — even if formal leaders won’t. These leaders without authority check their party politics at the door and focus only on what works. They also network together into what I call “complex adaptive coalitions” to spearhead both economic and societal change.
Willmar has the right answers to all three questions. It has almost zero unemployment. If you can fog up a mirror, you can get a job in Willmar — whether as an agriculture scientist or as a meatpacker for the Jennie-O turkey plant. The math is simple: There just aren’t enough white Lutheran Scandinavians to fill those jobs.
Many of the people coming here for work are people who practice faiths not previously common in these parts, like Islam, Bahai and Buddhism; whose skin is much darker than the locals’; and whose women often wear head coverings that aren’t baseball caps. They alsodon’t speak with Minnesota accents like those folks in the movie “Fargo.”
Have no doubt, the battle for inclusion is a daily struggle in Willmar and across Minnesota — and in some towns the battle is still being lost. But if you are looking for a reason to be hopeful, it’s the fact that in places like Willmar, a lot of people want to get caught trying.
In Minnesota, the towns that are rising are places “that have said we need a trained work force with a good work ethic and we’ll embrace a redefined sense of community to get that,” explained Dana Mortenson, C.E.O. of World Savvy, a global education organization that also works in Minnesota towns. And the ones that are struggling — and losing both jobs and population — “are often the ones who can’t manage this new inclusion challenge.”
communities I’ve visited: Gidi Grinstein, the Israeli social entrepreneur and founder of Reut, calls it “extending the yoke — so you have so many more parts of the community pulling together toward a common vision of resilience and prosperity.”
One example is the Community Integration Center, which some Somali social entrepreneurs opened in 2017 to teach Somalis English and Minnesota culture and to teach Willmarites Somali and Somali culture.
“We chose the name ‘community’ because we want everyone to have a sense of belonging, and we chose the name ‘integration’ because we wanted to bring the community together,” said Abdirahman Ahmed,the executive director. “We have English classes for Somali adults in the afternoon, and we have the Somali classes every Thursday at 5:30 p.m. for non-Somalis. We start by teaching them the Somali alphabet and then from there the vocabulary and culture.”
MPRnews.com reported about Itasca, “Until Trump’s victory there, Herbert Hoover was the last Republican to earn a majority of the votes in Itasca Country.”
Willmar’s mayor, Marv Calvin, is exhibit A of why leadership from positions of authority also matters — because so many people in a community take their cues from mayors, principals and agency heads. Now in his fifth year on the job, Calvin is a former fire chief. He and his wife had lived on nearby Lake Andrew, but now reside in town. He comes across as a big good ol’ boy, who leans conservative, but underneath is a steely resolve to do whatever it takes to transform Willmar for the 21st century.
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And we will keep showing how Somalis are thriving much to the chagrin of a loser like you who seeks to destroy the good image of our community under the guise of satire.
AIOPZ
Pan-Islamist
@IslamIsTheAnswer It's okay, you can tell us about who touched you as a child. You don't have to lash out and create insecure threads like this one in order for us to tell that you're hurting.
In case anyone wanted to see a FOB Wannabe Intellectual in real-life, exhibit A.
I've only seen your qabilist posts didn't know you were a gaal
you make some valid points but its obvious you're miserable
I've only seen your qabilist posts didn't know you were a gaal
you make some valid points but its obvious you're miserable
you don't need to be gaal to use irony
qaabil posts are pure trolling
I'm not miserable, but I can see the repeating patterns and how they contribute to this community's lowly status. Am I evil to point them out, or do we want to pretend the problems are not there?
Thought this was satire and you were complaining when the truth of your vomit inducing so called satire was labeled as bigotry.
Log in again as your other nick and give yourself a blowjob.
i never said i disagree with you but you're not neutral you're mixing in truth with your own hatred of islam, you'd better off being objective
Thought this was satire and you were complaining when the truth of your vomit inducing so called satire was labeled as bigotry.
Log in again as your other nick and give yourself a blowjob.
This is pure satire. You are so tedious.
satire
the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.
What makes satire funny is how close it is to the truth
Of course FOB Wannabe Intellectual is too shallow to understand satire! Your type are so predictable...
Hidden Successful Star
He has a mortgage and high equity, an education and professional success, and a good-head on his shoulders. Hidden Successful Star might have once had a heart that swelled with pride for Somalis, but nowadays he’s gone incognito from Somalis. Living in the suburbs with his ajnabi wife (or ajnabi husband in the female version), you won’t catch him talking to another Somali except maybe his mother. Hidden Successful Star has deemed Somalis a hopeless cause so he now focuses on himself and his career and his kids—who are excellent, high-achieving, and college-bound. When asked if he’s investing in Somalia, Hidden Successful Star will make a disgusted face although he will excitedly talk to you about his latest vacation to Italy. Generally Hidden Successful Star had high-status relatives in Somalia who were complicit with colonial authorities, so he may therefore speak some Italian—but this is far from always the case, many times he's self-made. Living his life peacefully, and raising a good family, Hidden Successful Star does not pose a problem to anyone and is a benefit to society. But by being so selfish with his success, and giving up the nasty and unappreciated and potentially futile fight to reform Somalis, Hidden Successful Star does not contribute to BUT DOES NOT mitigate Somali diaspora communal dysfunction. But it’s hard to say he’s making the wrong choice.
You said earlier: They hate the truth. Truth there meaning the hate-filled diatribe you desperately want people accept as satire. Okay granted. Then...
Now you say: Satire is funny because it is close to the Truth.
Make up your frail mind so I can respond accordingly. Are you writing the truth or satire(per your definition satire being funny as in being close to the truth among other things).
You must be drunk. Sober up and Come back sensible. I am also a FOB. A prestigious status you can only wish to have achieved.
And don't sound like a broken record telling me I don't understand. Cornered cats chasing their tail say that.
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