Go tell Asians, Whites and the whole world who listened to hiphop. Hell go tell Eminem. Shouldn't Black Americans have more smoke for Whites acting like them? Why us? We didn't do anything to them lol. This smoke makes no sense.I'm not here to make another "are Somalis X???" thread, we've had that discussion literally hundreds of times. I just want to point out a growing hypocrisy I see amongst certain Somalis that's not getting called out enough.
I've noticed that many Somalis like to distance themselves from being labeled as 'black American', some even go so far as to demean black folks with racially abusive language
Yet you can't help but wonder why they are so immersed in black culture, they speak AAVE, have the same fashion choices, the same obsession with the N-word, they listen to hip-hop, every English Somali musician sounds like their favorite black artist
It seems like Somalis enjoy taking from black culture (Rap, N-Word), and hate being referred to as Madow. Basically enjoying the fruits of the black experience while trying to avoid the backlash it entails
I'm not gonna tell you to stop wearing sneakers and to stop listening to Kendrick, that's stupid, you can like whatever you like. But it helps to at least be self-conscious.
It's simple. If you don't think you're black then stop acting like it, I understand if you grew up in a black hood and it's natural to talk and behave that way, but at least stop saying the N-word, it's cringe, it's not yours, your ancestors didn't go through it.
Okay so here is when I get annoyed. Black Americans (I love them) are powerful people and I respect them especially in the 60s. They respected Africans booting out the Europeans too, we were all connected. But not there is no movement to shit on East Africans that has been started by Trump with Obama. Ever since he was the President they push this FBA. And White people have done a number of abuse on them so they ended up mimicking their abuse (they aren't the only ones), so they like asking are you black? When we say we are, they end up saying we don't act Black or we are Arab wannabes and all this garbage.So you're black the same way Ice Cube is?
Right exactly!! I will make my own race, we are the Original Race (OR) lmao and science backs up. So these people are our (East African's) children bickering.We are civilised human being with a culture and identity linked to it, we are not crayons or colors that some 19th century White Supremacist race scientist tries to label us. Resist it.
I do not understand what Somalis get out of identifying as Black especially those outside USA where there no Black affirmative actions programmes, I can understand USA Somalis doing it. But other Somalis shouldn't.
Here in UK Somali guys do not identify as Black (only a small percentage do). It's mostly Somali girls that do because they have been bullied by Black girls and now they have Stockholm syndrome and Identify as Black and also harami Somali girls sleep around with black guys like identifying as black so they can feel closer to them.
What makes you think we want to escape it. We just don't want to bend over for Black Supremacist especially when they are bending over for White Supremacist. I don't like being 2nd fiddle. GO TO HELL!!!Ofcourse, they look black, they can't escape the label
I've been done with your nagative attitude if you are going to engage with me do it politely otherwise I will return the nagativety and you said like 3 time you're never gonna reply to my posts again so here you are again I'm not suprised but just be polite which you can't even though you're like 32 years old or something.I’m truly not trying to be rude here but seriously educate yourself. This is not it.
And the referencing me and shading meWish you the best. You’ll probably never get a reply from me
I just can’t get over the fact that he used Quora as some sort of reference.
Of all the points I've made you can't refute my argument you try to have a go at one of the points which is the education one and everybody knows Nigerians in America brings their best people/youth to America so that isn't availd argument but you are wrong about UK the West Africans do not do better than all whites, the White Irish do better than all 'West Africans' and all other Africans and Blacks.It would be three LONG paragraphs and I just can’t be bothered anymore. But I’ll touch upon some points.
One example though: Black educational attainment? That doesn’t have anything to do with being black. Check UK results, Nigerians and other West Africans do better than white kids. In America, Igbo people who are West African are also very high achieving.
A lot of his points are influenced by far-right speaking points and those points are used against Somalis everyday by those cadaan gaals. His mentality clearly fits into my point I made in my original post which you can check out, the last paragraph. His aversion to blackness is based on white racists views of black people and it comes from a place of low self-esteem. If black people had better PR rep, he’d be claiming them. His bullet points make it clear that societal views of black people is what drives his rejection.
You have no logical argument to rebut me other than cheap ad-hominem trying to label me as far-right or self-hating because the truth is for Somalis what is the point in being black if you share all negative stuff with them but none of the positive stuff, then that would make Somalis the inferior blacks who can't sing dance rap run jump.A lot of his points are influenced by far-right speaking points and those points are used against Somalis everyday by those cadaan gaals. His mentality clearly fits into my point I made in my original post which you can check out, the last paragraph. His aversion to blackness is based on white racists views of black people and it comes from a place of low self-esteem. If black people had better PR rep, he’d be claiming them. His bullet points make it clear that societal views of black people is what drives his rejection.
We are civilised human being with a culture and identity linked to it, we are not crayons or colors that some 19th century White Supremacist race scientist tries to label us. Resist it.
I do not understand what Somalis get out of identifying as Black especially those outside USA where there no Black affirmative actions programmes, I can understand USA Somalis doing it. But other Somalis shouldn't.
Here in UK Somali guys do not identify as Black (only a small percentage do). It's mostly Somali girls that do because they have been bullied by Black girls and now they have Stockholm syndrome and Identify as Black and also harami Somali girls sleep around with black guys like identifying as black so they can feel closer to them.
Also, what happened to humans not being crayons? Or is that just applicable to Somalis?It's mostly Somali girls that do because they have been bullied by Black girls and now they have Stockholm syndrome and Identify as Black and also harami Somali girls sleep around with black guys like identifying as black so they can feel closer to them.
As @Angelina pointed out, those who deny being black do so due to insecurity and a concern for how people view them.
Thanks for this. Black West Africans are doing better than White British people. Hence clearly they don’t have low educational attainment as you tried to claim. I never said they’re doing better than ALL white people but on average they’re doing better than whites since only the Irish surpass them. That clearly goes against your original point.I've been done with your nagative attitude if you are going to engage with me do it politely otherwise I will return the nagativety and you said like 3 time you're never gonna reply to my posts again so here you are again I'm not suprised but just be polite which you can't even though you're like 32 years old or something.
Here is quote from a month back that was like the 3rd time you said something like that. But you keep coming back.
And the referencing me and shading me
Of all the points I've made you can't refute my argument you try to have a go at one of the points which is the education one and everybody knows Nigerians in America brings their best people/youth to America so that isn't availd argument but you are wrong about UK the West Africans do not do better than all whites, the White Irish do better than all 'West Africans' and all other Africans and Blacks. View attachment 333071
That’s not true @Man with a garuun made that up when I had an argument with him.Adigu Babatunde jelida, Youve always been gassed about them Nigerians and West Africans you said you grew up with them and love them so from now on I'm gonna call you fufulina or Jollofina 'Angelina aka Jollofina' and I heard someone say on here you used to party with West Africans, when you said you used to date around is that who used to date man like Babatunde
I never said you’re far right. Clearly comprehension is an issue with you? Why would I think a Somali would be far right? I said your points are influenced by them. That’s totally different and it’s true since everything you’ve listed out is what they say as well and they say it about us as well.You have no logical argument to rebut me other than cheap ad-hominem trying to label me as far-right or self-hating because the truth is for Somalis what is the point in being black if you share all negative stuff with them but none of the positive stuff, then that would make Somalis the inferior blacks who can't sing dance rap run jump.
You are backtracking now Jollofina this is what you said I quote "Check UK results, Nigerians and other West Africans do better than white kids" they obviously don't do better than White Irish kids, so you were wrong there. If you look at the chart it's only the Gypsies/Travellers that are bringing down the overall White score with their abysmally very low scores if you take them away the the average White score would be higher than the average black score.I never said they’re doing better than ALL white people but on average they’re doing better than whites since only the Irish surpass them. That clearly goes against your original point.
What points don't you believe? Go ahead and do your 3 paragraphs you said couldn't be bothered to do.I don’t believe in the point you made about black people that’s my point.
Also, black people aren’t homogenous and that’s my biggest issue with your points. A Senegalese is very different culturally to a Jamaican but under your world paradigm they have the same cultural issues which couldn’t be further from the truth. That’s why i said educate yourself.
You are backtracking now Jollofina this is what you said I quote "Check UK results, Nigerians and other West Africans do better than white kids" they obviously don't do better than White Irish kids, so you were wrong there. If you look at the chart it's only the Gypsies/Travellers that are bringing down the overall White score with their abysmally very low scores if you take them away the the average White score would be higher than the average black score.
Also data collected in South London which broke downa plurality of African backgrounds it said that Somalis achieved higher than Nigerians and Ghanaians, so there goes your pro West African talking points.
What points don't you believe? Go ahead and do your 3 paragraphs you said couldn't be bothered to do.
I see you are trying to move goalposts here and trying to insert religion into the discussion I'm not dumb like you and that is so typical of you when you are losing an argument always twisting and moving goalposts, well then put it this way Anglophone Christian Niger-Congos and their descends in the America's/Carribean through the slave trade have so much similarities you could call them homogenous especially the second generation youth in UK, same as any other Niger-Congo Africans and their descendants in the America's/Carribeans just put the same religion and language of their coloniser, simple.
Jollofina you need to look at things trough the lens of realism not through the influence of your blm xalimos whylich you're influenced by and also the white supremacist who'll try to call you black, you try to accuse me of being influenced by White racist but you are a hypocrite as you are the one who is influenced by them by accepting their labels to be put on you whilst I reject and put my middle finger up to White right-wing racists. So instead of being brainwashed by pro-blacks and white-racists how about you try and educate yourself.
Actually it's what South Africans, Kenyans call their females who love Nigerians. And we have ourselves the Somali equivalent on this forum so that's why I call her it, oh and it rhymes too Angelina aka JollofinaWhy are you calling her a Jollofina? You realize this is an insult that South Africans use for Nigerian women? How weird.
If East Africans were formally classified as Caucasoids and given the white label, I doubt there would even be an argument or long essays written about why we are not whites. I am 100% sure of it.
i use to think @AbdiFreedom was a self hater. But he just drops truth bombs.I can’t work out if you’re a self-hater or misanthrope.
Dont lie, they’re also doing better than White British. The only one white group that are doing better than West Africans are the Irish. Check the results.You are backtracking now Jollofina this is what you said I quote "Check UK results, Nigerians and other West Africans do better than white kids" they obviously don't do better than White Irish kids, so you were wrong there. If you look at the chart it's only the Gypsies/Travellers that are bringing down the overall White score with their abysmally very low scores if you take them away the the average White score would be higher than the average black score.
I couldn’t be asked with you since I genuinely think you’re ignorant and refuse to educate yourself. My points below will indicate how out of the loop you are. At this point it’s embarrassing.Also data collected in South London which broke downa plurality of African backgrounds it said that Somalis achieved higher than Nigerians and Ghanaians, so there goes your pro West African talking points.
What points don't you believe? Go ahead and do your 3 paragraphs you said couldn't be bothered to do.
How? Why can’t I insert religion? Are Cameroonians, Senegalese and half of Nigerians not black because they’re Muslim?! I’m showing you how unsophisticated your world view is and how it lacks any semblance of logic.I see you are trying to move goalposts here and trying to insert religion into the discussion
I'm not dumb like you and that is so typical of you when you are losing an argument always twisting and moving goalposts,
Language? Are you that dumb about the world around you? OMG I’m debating with an uneducated fool.well then put it this way Anglophone Christian Niger-Congos and their descends in the America's/Carribean through the slave trade have so much similarities you could call them homogenous especially the second generation youth in UK, same as any other Niger-Congo Africans and their descendants in the America's/Carribeans just put the same religion and language of their coloniser, simple.
Yes, you are. You’re like those dumb Americans who think all black people have the same culture and language. I’ve clocked you.Jollofina you need to look at things trough the lens of realism not through the influence of your blm xalimos whylich you're influenced by and also the white supremacist who'll try to call you black, you try to accuse me of being influenced by White racist
No, you don’t. Your self esteem hinges upon them which is why you’ve tried to say black people have low educational achievements despite being better than White British people. Where did you get that thinking from Zob?but you are a hypocrite as you are the one who is influenced by them by accepting their labels to be put on you whilst I reject and put my middle finger up to White right-wing racists.
Another Low IQ point. Nigerians and other West Africans do not have the same culture as AAs and Caribbeans. They have lower single motherhood rates, higher educational achievements and the list goes on. You’re so dumb that you think people who are far removed by 400 yrs due to the slave trade are the same because they’re of a similar origin that spans centuries? Do you think cultures stay stagnant? How are you comparing Caribbeans who don’t have a native language and don’t even know what West African country they hail from and compare them to people that have their own language and customs? I could go into detail to teach you history but I can’t be bothered with someone who cant even grasp simple realities.So instead of being brainwashed by pro-blacks and white-racists how about you try and educate yourself.
haitians are the most dhuxul beeshada and they claim they weren’t lmaoOfcourse, they look black, they can't escape the label
So now you admit to moving the goalposts. Well done on owing it, it's always been your modus operendi because you have always been a deceiving, lying, hypocritical and manipulating.How? Why can’t I insert religion?
This is another example of your manipulation tactics because you tried to bring up Senagalise and Jamaicans then if I went ahead without checking that, you would immediately played the religion card on me and said 'oH jAMaicCuNs Hve dIfFuRUnt cULtUrE BECuz They Christian and Senegalese are Muslims.' I won't fall for your low-brow manipulation tactics. Just compare Christian Niger-Congoid Africans and their descendants in the Americas/Carribeans that speak the same colonise language like English and for the rest just apply them to the same religion and coloniser language (French, Portugese, Spanish etc.) so can for example compare a second generation Christian Igbo Nigerian and a 2nd Generation UK Black South African or a second generation Christian Jamaican.Are Cameroonians, Senegalese and half of Nigerians not black because they’re Muslim?! I’m showing you how unsophisticated your world view is and how it lacks any semblance of logic. Why can’t I bring up that fact that at least 50% of West Africans are Muslim? The only reason why you’d have issues with it because it makes your argument harder to articulate.
Language? Are you that dumb about the world around you? OMG I’m debating with an uneducated fool.
Jollofina don't try and play dumb you know damn well I know they have their native languages (as I've been using the term - Niger-Congo all this time, I know you're not honest with me but do you honestly think I don't know?), so are simply now trying to misquote me and shifting the goalposts again I said "Anglophone" as in countries that have English as one of the Official/National languages alongside their native languages (an example of a Anlgolphone Niger-Congoid country is NigeriaYoruba? Fulani? Igbo? Twi? And the list continues but they speak the same language as Caribbeans who ONLY speak English? They don’t even have the same culture as Caribbeans as well. Honestly this is why I come for you.
You literally know nothing.
Even within one tribe in Nigeria you have Muslims and Christians. Does a Christian Yoruba have the same culture as a Caribbean or a the same culture as a Muslim Yoruba? What about language, food, customs?
Nope you tried to debate me like I'm ignorant by trying too throw some bait manipulation tactics and goalpost-shifting but I've pointed it out and now you're just throwing some emotional tantrums because you're frustrated I'm cooking you in debate and I won't let you resort to underhanded tactics like that.You don’t read, don’t have an understanding of history and think Qoura is a source.
You’ve proved my point as to how painfully ignorant you are and you have the audacity to call me dumb. Wallahi I’m embarrassed for you. How about you read instead of trying to debate me?!
Jollofina you're dunce did you not read what I stated in reference to this paragraph or do you have a reading comprehension of a year 3 little brat. I said because of the similaries of Niger-Congoids and their descendants in the Carribeans their second generation youth are very homogeneous most times people coundnt tell the difference between them except for trained-eyes like me and maybe some giveaways like surnames for second generation (oLUwaBAba a Nigerian e.g.) and third/fourth generation African Christians many off them they simply do away with them and get anglisized surnames.As for the second generation, they speak English, the same way second generation Somalis speak English since they’re in the West. What a silly point indeed.
Dont lie, they’re also doing better than White British. The only one white group that are doing better than West Africans are the Irish. Check the results.
You clearly lied and said black people have low achievement rates. If that’s the case how come they’re doing better than the actual Natives of Britain? It’s you who back tracked and one think I hate is a nasty liar which is why I’m rude to you
Jollofina sometimes I think Babatundes have put their imprint onto you the way you bootclap for them so much. I posted a official Govt data chart for 2022 GCSE results, I don't know your blind or you have Babatundes .. still in your eyes impeding your sight, it shows the overall black score to be under 50.0 (it is 48.6) which I said is low and I still stand by what I said I dont backtrack and shift goal-posts like you, below 50.0 is low do you get it now and stop trying to compare to Whites I don't care White is you always trying to measure up to them as the hypocrite and projecter you are it's you has White Paradigm mindset not me.You even used the lie that black peoples as a whole have low educational attainment and that all of them have a culture of single motherhood when that isn’t the case for West Africans. You’re basing blackness as being only AA and Caribbean cultures and you don’t understand the diversity of cultures and that’s definitely a racist white world paradigm.
I couldn’t be asked with you since I genuinely think you’re ignorant and refuse to educate yourself. My points below will indicate how out of the loop you are. At this point it’s embarrassing
LOL, the data you used shows that black people overall are doing better than white people.Jollofina I don't know if you've dropped in the head when you were young or something are you that stupid to not know that Irish are White so your claim has been debunked when you said West African and Nigerians do better than White kids but they don't do better than White Irish.
You need to stop changing the goalposts you never said "White British" you said White Kids. Then you go on to repeat what I proved you wrong about, you're very peticulous and can't accept when you've been rubuked.
If you truly believe both whites and blacks are low achievers, why did you point out that only black people are in your original point as a way to suggest that’s it’s something that makes black people inferior?When did I lie? Blacks do have low achievement rates and so do Whites, they both do it's a very marginal difference and they both overall score under 50.0 which is low,
but I still proved your claim wrong, so you went as usual to start lying, shifting the goalposts and started twisting after being proved wrong and changed it to "Native White British Kids" instead of what you originally said "White Kids"
What brings black people down is Caribbeans who stand at 4.1. My whole point is, black people aren’t a monolith or homogeneous. Some groups that are seen as ‘black’ are doing a lot better than other groups hence it is wrong for you in turn to say that black peoples have low educational achievements since some ethnic groups clearly don’t.Because I layed down some facts to you that White Irish perform better than Nigerian and West Africans,tafter I presented that fact what do you? Typical Angelina aka Jollofina always goes moving the goalposts when she's been proven wrong.
Yes you do care for whites. If you didn’t, you would have talked about how white have low educational attainment and you wouldn’t have created the impression that madows are the lowest which is why Somalis can’t possibly be black. You’ve used racist talking points that aren’t even accurate. That’s my issue with you.below 50.0 is low do you get it now and stop trying to compare to Whites I don't care White is you always trying to measure up to them as the hypocrite and projecter you are it's you has White Paradigm mindset not me.
I believe or I know? I don’t care what you believe, show me the data.Also 50.9 score for Black Africans includes Somalis gen-z's not only your dear Nigerian and West Africans so get that through your tick stubborn head, and even South London Somalis are doing better than them and I consider Somalis who are otherside of the river to be smarter. I believe it's Somalis who contribute to it are driving the up the 50.9. So you can get of out here with your Bubu FuFu Jollof propaganda Wallahi I just believe how daft you are it's like you are talking out your Nigerian smelling box that Babatunde input his dna on.
Show me the data please.Data collected in the West African stronghold of South London shows Somali are going better than ALL of them hence why I don't want to be accociate with none of them and soon apparently there reports that Somalis could get there own category in the cencus so it's game over for pro-black bed wenches like
Jollofina the thing is with you can't debunk what I'm saying and can't accept common sense so you just resort to lying, twisting, moving goalposts and manipulation. You literally have no argument.
I’m not a troll, you’re the fool who is so far removed from logic that you thought W.Africans spoke English like Caribbeans and AAs.At this this point I think you are troll you just keep going on bickering for the sake of it this is why I can't be asked asked to debate without a mediator in the future because you are narcissist who has a hard time accepting when you have been proven wrong by me.