What does your family call this?

[Sa_Male]

I KNEW YOUR KNOWLEDGE WAS LIMITED BUT I NEVER KNEW IT WAS THIS LIMITED YOU KNOW NOTHING WALLAHI REER KOONFUUR MEANS PEOPLE OF THE SOUTH

American somalis have zero info, most don't even know past their major clan.

 

[Wonyluvr]

Hawiye is more related to isaaq than darod btw. And darod is huge, they have the most large clans and they cover everywhere but somaliand other than sool. View attachment 339751

The bottom part didn’t lie about it being simplified.There’s other clans left out

 

[Yami]

Interesting. I assumed that all the sub clans that started with "Habar" were hawiye, had no idea that many were isaaq There is too many somali clans I need a graph that shows a visual breakdown

Say wallahi you've never heard of a habar awal before

 

[Wonyluvr]

You're young and naive, you don't understand the agenda of your countrymen

We are born in the same year warya

 

[Yaraye]

Hawiye is more related to isaaq then darod btw. And darod is huge, they have the most large clans and they cover everywhere but somaliand other than sool. View attachment 339751

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[Sa_Male]

The bottom part didn’t lie about it being simplified.There’s other clans left out

It was a cadaan guy who complied it from another cadaan guy whilst adding what he could find. Pretty good job considering that. Here's the book:

 

[Wonyluvr]

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The graph is oversimplified Mursade Habar Gidir and Abgaal are all generations apart

 

[Yaraye]

Say wallahi you've never heard of a habar awal before

Never bruh. I've heard of Habar yunis and Habar gidir tho. My family was keen on keeping us out of qabyaalid. All they told us was what tribe we were, and that's it I do wish they did a neutral factual education of basic Somali sub tribes info tho, they were terrified we would become clannist khat chewing people that they took too extreme of a path.

 

[Sa_Male]

We are born in the same year warya

Ik but really considering my life experiences I feel as if I'm most people's senior in most respects. I find people double my age to be idiots and I can go toe to toe with any person on this forum, humbly of course

 

[Yaraye]

American somalis have zero info, most don't even know past their major clan.

why would you call us out like that?!

 

[Khaemwaset]

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Laxoox, but sometimes canjeero.

We are Djiboutian

 

[Yaraye]

I KNEW YOUR KNOWLEDGE WAS LIMITED BUT I NEVER KNEW IT WAS THIS LIMITED YOU KNOW NOTHING WALLAHI REER KOONFUUR MEANS PEOPLE OF THE SOUTH

Oh! Good to know, i had no idea.

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my family were strict in not telling us about somali qabiils or anything remotely close to that subject

 

[Sa_Male]

why would you call us out like that?!

It's the truth, you may welcome each other despite qabil (which doesn't nearly happen as much in the uk) but you don't know about your roots,(which is unfortunate really)

 

[Sa_Male]

Never bruh. I've heard of Habar yunis and Habar gidir tho. My family was keen on keeping us out of qabyaalid. All they told us was what tribe we were, and that's it I do wish they did a neutral factual education of basic Somali sub tribes info tho, they were terrified we would become clannist khat chewing people that they took too extreme of a path.

How comes you heard of my clan but not habar awal, I'm curious......

 

[Yaraye]

It's the truth, you may welcome each other despite qabil (which doesn't nearly happen as much in the uk) but you don't know about your roots,(which is unfortunate really)

I had a friend that I knew since i was in elementary. I recently went to her wedding and found out her clan due to the buranbur song

 

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It's not true.

The alleged relationship between Hawiye and Isaaq is nonsensical. Most Isaaq are related to Dir and both are mostly haplogroup T. Whereas Hawiye are mostly EV32.

And even the one Isaaq clan that is Ev32, is 3000 years away from sharing an ancestor with Hawiye clans.

Long story short; it's all based on a political alliance.

 

[Yaraye]

How comes you heard of my clan but not habar awal, I'm curious......

My grandmother sometimes lets stuff slip when gossiping with my aunts. I overheard her gossiping about one of our ex-neighbor's husband who was habar yunis

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Canjeero is taking the lead. Very interesting

 

[Yaraye]

It's not true.

The alleged relationship between Hawiye and Isaaq is nonsensical. Most Isaaq are related to Dir and both are mostly haplogroup T. Whereas Hawiye are mostly EV32.

And even the one Isaaq clan that is Ev32, is 3000 years away from sharing an ancestor with Hawiye clans.

Long story short; it's all based on a political alliance.

where do you get this kind of knowledge sis? I want in too.

 

[Yami]

Hawiye is more related to isaaq then darod btw. And darod is huge, they have the most large clans and they cover everywhere but somaliand other than sool. View attachment 339751

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