Which decade has been the worst decade ever for Somalis/Somalia

[Idilinaa]

Just like the SNM/former SNA colonel realizing he got played by Ethiopia to use him to take revenge against his own people, when the Ethiopian confessed to him.

Abdullahi Yusuf had a similar realization that he was the was used by Meles and Mengistu to screw over his own people.

He directly facilitated this, do you know how embarrassing it is to admit this? To admit that you are a traitor and an Ethiopian stooge only nearing your death, you own up to it?

Repeat of 1884: Somalia leaders compete for foreign domination

The death of Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed, former President of the Transitional Federal Government of Somalia (TFG) in Dubai, UAE on March 23, 2012 has sparked intense debate about his political legacy. Without doubt, president Yusuf left an indelible mark in the Somali history.

www.hiiraan.com

And here today you have ignorant people making defenses on his behalf. Talking about selective sources kulaha

He didn't fight Islamic courts union or President Jama, the Transitional Government because they were terrorists, he fought them on behalf of Ethiopia because they were against their interests.

Ethiopia saw the Islamic Courts Union as a threat for the reason they symbolized a rebirth of stronger more united Somalia. Ahmed Gurey syndrome as foreign observers have called it

 

[Idilinaa]

Dont try to change history, they were at war with us and ICU attacked us during cade musa time.

Here we go again

People were on the ground and reported about it and they interviewed them, they didn't attack anyone they retreated near a border town that is all they did after clashing with local war lords. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6141594.stm

The Islamists have so far resisted moving into Puntland, which runs its own affairs and has its own well-armed militia.

and then Puntland attacked them, you can see the testimonies by the ICU it came from them and that Puntland attacked them because they saw them nearing their borders as a provocation.

Islamic Courts clash with Puntland

Heavy fighting has been reported between forces of Union of Islamic Courts and Puntland, the semi-autonomous region of Somalia.

www.aljazeera.com

On Monday, the Islamic Courts said that Puntland’s forces had carried out a pre-emptive strike against their fighters who were gathering on the edge of Puntland.

“Puntland troops attacked us 30 minutes ago in Galinsoor area,” an Islamic Courts source told Reuters on Monday morning.

 

[X29]

Here we go again

People were on the ground and reported about it and they interviewed them, they didn't attack anyone they retreated near a border town that is all they did after clashing with local war lords. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6141594.stm


and then Puntland attacked them, you can see the testimonies by the ICU it came from them and that Puntland saw attacked them because they saw them nearing their borders as a provocation.

Islamic Courts clash with Puntland

Heavy fighting has been reported between forces of Union of Islamic Courts and Puntland, the semi-autonomous region of Somalia.

www.aljazeera.com

How was the ICU governance how did they operate

 

[Idilinaa]

How was the ICU governance how did they operate

They actually implement Sharia Courts much like how Somalis used to in cities and coastal towns throughout history.

What people don't also know is that they implemented Xeer law as well.

Somalia: Not Just Islam - How Somalia's Union of Islamic Courts Used Local Customs

Somalia: The Use of Local Customs by the Union of Islamic Courts

Analysis - Perceptions of Somalia's Union of Islamic Courts have often exaggerated the role of Islam and its radicalisation.

allafrica.com

They were pretty much implementing a very authentic traditional form of Somali governance. They were pretty moderate from a western perspective, since they didn't implement severe punishments or anything that would be deemed radical or grotesque Taliban style. They also didn't restrict peoples freedoms in far reaching ways and under them there was an increase in educational enrollment for girls and they went far to safeguard the safety of women and they didn't restrict womens employment or involvement in civic life. They also didn't force burkha.

I have shared before a study on how even minor clans were operating their own sharia courts and were granted high degree of political inclusion and reduction of discrimination that came with the courts swift justice.

Read this:
Transformation of Communal Sharia Courts of Mogadishu into a unified bureaucratized judiciary.
The Sharia Courts of Mogadishu: Beyond "African Islam'' and "Islamic Law"

You can kinda read a more brief overview her. Remember to look through the refrences.

Islamic Courts Union - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Aseer]

They actually implement Sharia Courts much like how Somalis used to in cities and coastal towns throughout history.

What people don't also know is that they implemented Xeer law as well.

Somalia: Not Just Islam - How Somalia's Union of Islamic Courts Used Local Customs

Somalia: The Use of Local Customs by the Union of Islamic Courts

Analysis - Perceptions of Somalia's Union of Islamic Courts have often exaggerated the role of Islam and its radicalisation.

allafrica.com

They were pretty much implementing a very authentic traditional form of Somali governance. They were pretty moderate from a western perspective, since they didn't implement severe punishments or anything that would be deemed radical or grotesque Taliban style. They also didn't restrict peoples freedoms in far reaching ways and under them there was an increase in educational enrollment for girls and they went far to safeguard the safety of women and they didn't restrict womens employment or involvement in civic life. They also didn't force burkha.

I have shared before a study on how even minor clans were operating their own sharia courts and were granted high degree of political inclusion and reduction of discrimination that came with the courts swift justice.

Read this:
Transformation of Communal Sharia Courts of Mogadishu into a unified bureaucratized judiciary.
The Sharia Courts of Mogadishu: Beyond "African Islam'' and "Islamic Law"

You can kinda read a more brief overview her. Remember to look through the refrences.

Islamic Courts Union - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Can you explain the concept of xeer laws and how they inplemented it in a modern society.

 

[Zak12]

Here we go again

People were on the ground and reported about it and they interviewed them, they didn't attack anyone they retreated near a border town that is all they did after clashing with local war lords. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6141594.stm


and then Puntland attacked them, you can see the testimonies by the ICU it came from them and that Puntland attacked them because they saw them nearing their borders as a provocation.

Islamic Courts clash with Puntland

Heavy fighting has been reported between forces of Union of Islamic Courts and Puntland, the semi-autonomous region of Somalia.

www.aljazeera.com

But it says in the aljazeera article that the ICU pledged to take control over the whole country.

 

[X29]

They actually implement Sharia Courts much like how Somalis used to in cities and coastal towns throughout history.

What people don't also know is that they implemented Xeer law as well.

Somalia: Not Just Islam - How Somalia's Union of Islamic Courts Used Local Customs

Somalia: The Use of Local Customs by the Union of Islamic Courts

Analysis - Perceptions of Somalia's Union of Islamic Courts have often exaggerated the role of Islam and its radicalisation.

allafrica.com

They were pretty much implementing a very authentic traditional form of Somali governance. They were pretty moderate from a western perspective, since they didn't implement severe punishments or anything that would be deemed radical or grotesque Taliban style. They also didn't restrict peoples freedoms in far reaching ways and under them there was an increase in educational enrollment for girls and they went far to safeguard the safety of women and they didn't restrict womens employment or involvement in civic life. They also didn't force burkha.

I have shared before a study on how even minor clans were operating their own sharia courts and were granted high degree of political inclusion and reduction of discrimination that came with the courts swift justice.

Read this:
Transformation of Communal Sharia Courts of Mogadishu into a unified bureaucratized judiciary.
The Sharia Courts of Mogadishu: Beyond "African Islam'' and "Islamic Law"

You can kinda read a more brief overview her. Remember to look through the refrences.

Islamic Courts Union - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Why was Abdullahi Yusuf such a hater to siad barre why didn't Siad just kill aidid and Abdullahi Yusuf

 

[Idilinaa]

But it says in the aljazeera article that the ICU pledged to take control over the whole country.

Quote from the article.

Since capturing Mogadishu, the Somali capital, in June, the Islamic Courts have pledged to extend their control over the whole of the East African country.

But the leaders of Puntland and Somaliland, two self-governing areas of northern Somalia, have said they will fight any attempt by the Islamic Courts to invade their areas.

This is what the author of the Aljazerra article said, it's not a direct statement by the ICU. When the Islamic Courts Union took over Mogadishu they stated their goal was to ''..lay the foundations for some institutions in Somalia that might form the basis for a better and more peaceful, secure Somalia where the rule of law is important.''

In Mogadishu, Prayers Amid Lull in Violence

Residents of Mogadishu headed to prayers, bolstered by a week of relative calm since an Islamic militia seized control and tightened its grip.

www.foxnews.com

But yeah they didn't invade or attack Puntland. So the whole get back narrative he was trying to makes zero sense, when they were the ones attacked in a extremely brief clash.

 

[Idilinaa]

Why was Abdullahi Yusuf such a hater to siad barre why didn't Siad just kill aidid and Abdullahi Yusuf

Early on before he switched to Ethiopia he was part of a soviet coup attempt to topple Siad Barre and punish the regime for the Ogaden war.

The coup was unpopular, poorly coordinated, got no support from other Somalis so it failed on its face . Several of the ring leaders were captured and put on trial, but Abdullahi Yusuf fled to Kenya, then later housed himself in Ethiopia and conspired with them. Same with Adidid they based themselves in Ethiopia. It's not like Somalia had an extradition treaty with them.

 

[X29]

Early on before he switched to Ethiopia he was part of a soviet coup attempt to topple Siad Barre and punish the regime for the Ogaden war.

The coup was unpopular, poorly coordinated, got no support from other Somalis so it failed on its face . Several of the ring leaders were captured and put on trial, but Abdullahi Yusuf fled to Kenya, then later housed himself in Ethiopia and conspired with them. Same with Adidid they based themselves in Ethiopia. It's not like Somalia had an extradition treaty with them.

Why was Abdullahi Yusuf obsessed with Siad barre and I heard aidid was mentally unwell

 

[Idilinaa]

Why was Abdullahi Yusuf obsessed with Siad barre and I heard aidid was mentally unwell

Not really sure. What do you believe is the reason he had animosity towards him?

They are both the worst traitors and criminals in my book. I would have no qualms with them if they only had political opposition to Siad.

 

[X29]

Not really sure. What do you believe is the reason he had animosity towards him?

They are both the worst traitors and criminals in my book. I would have no qualms with them if they only had political opposition to Siad.

How was aidid perceived by the kacaan

 

[Idilinaa]

How was aidid perceived by the kacaan

He was probably seen as a traitor, war criminal , that abused his role as an ambassador and senior military officer was relieved from his posts as a consequence of his improper behavior

 

[Galool]

Great informative thread @Idilinaa jazakAllah khayr.

Anyone who goes out of their way to defend criminals should fear Allah SWT.

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