Yes it's only relevant now because it cuts into our maritime borders.
1500s - The Somali century
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It wouldn't be good for us if ajnabi took it
It was under the influence of Mogadishu sultanate and Mombasa was shared city with Somali garre and Persian madow, sofala and other city were literally Mogadishu gold mine, u right also Maldives, the adals were literally mass enslaving the Nubians after they refused but rhe beja accepted our rule, Nubians even have dance to insult Somalis
Somalis have extreme self hate and it shows in this thread, pethatic behaviour wallahi
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The era of axmed gurey
Wallah Ahmed gurey really left his mark in east Africa from making habeshis eat raw meat to this day and making Nubians do dances to mock somalis for the trauma Ahmed grey inflicted on themNubians even have dance to insult Somalis
imagine if we find futuh al habesh part 2 and find out what other devious influences he left behind
We can just negotiate maritime borders no need to take the entire city.
@Cartan Boos do you have source for the Mombassa thing?
Who would we negotiate with? Yemen is a failed state the UAE took over and may even give isrealis influence by building a base
Brother we can't do anything as well look at the state of somalia.
There was some guy who mentioned it on here with source but I don't remember, he said Mombasa had different clans and Somali clan katwa was one of the most powerful they defended the city from inland attack
Lmk if you find it.
Somali language was still spoken in Mozambique
Exaggerated claims and making stuff up is 100% wrong it distorts reality, misleads and negatively impacts our decision making. There is no situation were lying is acceptable and beneficial. It's not about humility or morality , it's about accuracy.
Don't gas up history. History has many bad moments/events in it , it's the worst place to rest your pride or ego on. If you are selective about it, you will learn nothing from it and will make the same mistakes.
If Ethiopia and some other nations jump off a cliff, you should do the same thing because they are doing it. Following that logic.
In fact if Ethiopia or any other does something wrong, it's better to avoid it and learn from their mistakes. Like ''I'll die if i jump off a cliff, i am not going to follow what they did''
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Nothing special about the rise of multiple stone cities that acquired international renown? That owned the Indian Ocean gold for a considerable period, that erased seven Abyssinian Emperors from the chessboard and deleted Vasco’s most talented son? Sounds like you’re intentionally diminishing Somali history by being a contrarian to give the impression that you are the most knowledgeable.
If you want we can designate you as such, but there is no need to deny our impact.
None on the same scale as the period I highlighted. No city as impactful as Mogadishu or Zayla rose in that period. The 1700s - 1900s is actually characterised by small castle towns and agricultural hubs like Afgoye, Bardera, Bargaal, Hobyo, etc while the old cities continued their steady decline which not even the slave-trade, a boom in grain exports or trade fairs could reverse.
There is a clear paucity of sources, activity and interaction between the Somali peninsula and the rest of the world post-collapse of the Western Roman Empire and the 10th century.
Not even the few Chinese sources from the period depict anything close to the 10th - 16th centuries era. Islam was a great engine for a Somali Golden Age.
The polities at Zayla exerted political influence from Mogadishu to Suakin, while the polity at Mogadishu was known as the ‘Sovereign head of all the Moors on the coast’. If you think giving birth to the Indian Ocean gold trade is not impactful, or being a safe-haven for trade from the Portuguese is not impactful, or Mogadishans and Zaylans being present in almost every relevant royal court from Cairo to the Comoros is not impactful then I guess your right.
Nothing exaggerated about highlighting the proliferation of major stone cities in Somalia that were known from Venice to China. It’s a clear fact. Nothing exaggerated about stating that Somalis reached their military, economic and cultural peak during that specific time period, historical figures like Ahmed Guray, the coinage of Mogadishu and scholars like Sheikh Hussein are undeniable in that regard.
You have no right to tell young Somalis they can’t glorify their history or take pride in their heritage when at every turn people are trying to diminish, erase or outright deny their role in that same history.
Those other people lie by the way. The people here weren't even lying you just didn't like the words used.
Use of words is very powerful and history as a modern social science was invented to support nation-states and their claims. Our academics can keep all the details in their writings and use that for decision-making but the public PR front and what you teach children needs to be bite-sized information that will inspire them. You don't have to lie you just present the information available in a good way- children need stories of heroes and valour and great achievements and also examples of bad actions to avoid. The modern academic approach is great for research but awful for producing information the public actually reads or uses. That's why developed countries rely on the film industry to teach their people what they want them to know.
It is not either or. Each approach has a time and place no one said don't learn anything and delude yourself.
We have a number of good narratives we can spread based on our actual history.
1. Descendants of the rich, prosperous Somali City states that enjoyed a grip on international trade in the Red Sea and a highly developed and literary culture.
2. One of the first countries to become Muslim with a rich Islamic intellectual heritage
3. Defenders of Islam and the Prophet ﷺ
4. A brave nation that has fought against an endless list of foreign aggressors. The Landheere of Africa with the largest land-mass of any African ethnicity. The founders of the largest (even if short lived) empire in Africa. The inheritors of Mogadishu, Zeila, Barawe, etc
5. Fought the longest guerrilla war on the African continent- the Darawiish and also the anti-Italian resistance.
See it's not about lying this is marketing the truth- all of these are objectively true.
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Bro a lot of history is about exaggerating ones greatness. Also most chinese are not fleeing it's a very ti minority of people who have money and can't find jobs. While china is obviously an authoritarian country that wants to forcefully assimilate muslims and suppress islam. They are also an extremely competent govt that improves the country massively. People have talking about chinas economic collapse for the last several years it's all b.s . Ask yourself why you don't here abkit chinsse cities being polluted in anymore.
The key is too not exaggerate too mcuh to the point it looks ridculous.
Urbanization is something that occurs in multiple parts of the world and happened in multiple places inside Africa , it's a result of growth of trade and commerce.
Not all settlements/towns/villages/centers were made of stone either or were trade based. They varied in function, scope and building material depending on the location and the economic activity. Just by the nature of our geography Somalis leaned towards more commercial orientation than say compared to someone who inhabited an isolated mountain area.
So yeah there is nothing unique or special about it. Urbanism is only particular in so far as it traces evidence of economic development and interactions between people and how those locations also became political and adminstrative centers for the adjacent rural areas.
It's true that they had longer periods of growth accumulation. A lot more time passed but the towns and settlements between the late 1700s and early 1900s followed the same patterns of development and structure. Whether it be the walled in-land trading towns of Luuq, Bardheere and Harar operated much like the walled Benadiri trading centers like Mogadishu and was sustained near agriculturally favorable settled locations and Afgoye was similar to agricultural hubs like Bur Hakaba near the interriverine/rivers and Zayla operated much like other important coastal tading centers of Bosaso, Las Khoray and Berbera located in pastoral favorable locations they all grew in commercial activity and population size and aside from this there are a number of other smaller settlements both on the coast and in-land, proliferation of them speaks to the growth. A boom in grain exports also happened as well albeit with capitalist labour alterions. This was when Somalia was called ''The grain coast of Yemen''
Growth in scholarship also this was at the time of formation of ''Sufi Tariqas'' and also same diasporic migrations and presence happened as well during this period.
What Historian Abdurahman Badiyow says about the development in this period focusing on Sufi orders: THE ISLAMIC MOVEMENT IN SOMALIA
There is a few distinctions to make about this period but highly comparable to prior period past.
Periods prior means any period before 1100s . You have the periplus document and multiple trading coastal centers excavated confirming those sites and a few in-land towns discovered as well.
There was periods of intense trade and wealth accumilitation. There is no ''Golden Age'' and is inaccurate to reduce Somali's historical importance to one specific date in history when it's been in a continuum throughout.
The government in Zayla never had political reach over Suakin or Mogadishu. Zero evidences, sources or indications that they ever did. Mogadishu certainly had influence/connections around it's own adjacent southern coastlline and it's immediate hinterland. Same with Zayla.
Somalis didn't give birth to Indian Oceans trade at all, though they had an important role in shaping it just like other trading groups across the indian occean and it was not a safe haven from the Portuguese they bombed/occupied almost all the coastal settlements around the indian ocean and the red sea, Somalia was not spared. They certainly fought back in defence and in reclamation.
There you go again by making wild exaggerated claims that are simply not accurate.
You just made crazy exagggetions you cannot even support right about above this.
Somalis had periods of economic growth, development, migrations, clergy and trade just like many other groups and thats all there is to it. But it does not make them the lords of the universe, super special with super amazing reach and influence.
I don't see what the purpose is to make wild over top claims around basic established facts.
Basic fact: ''An important town called Zayla existed'' -----> ''It controled all of East Africa and smashed all of Portuguese empire into pieces and erased Abyssinia'' (Exagerrated wild claim ).
Not necessary at all and i don't see what you will gain from this either.
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