I am talking about them. read their history, many states they governed were allowed to do some haram
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this article does a nice overview of what I am talking about
Did Ibn Qayyim claim incestuous marriages were allowed under an...
In a Nutshell: Ibn al-Qayyim does not justify, recognise nor permit Zoroastrian incestuous marriages. However, there is a minor difference of opinion over such marriages - some scholars...
Muhammad ibn al-Qari reported: A man came to Umar ibn al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, from Abu Musa al-Ashari. Umar asked him about the people and he informed him. Then, Umar said, “Do you have any recent news?” Abu Musa said, “Yes, a man turned back to unbelief after his Islam.” Umar said, “What have you done with him?” Abu Musa said, “We let him approach and we struck his neck.” Umar said, “Did you not imprison him for three days and feed him each day with bread and call him to repent and return to the command of Allah?” Then, Umar said, “O Allah, I was not present and I did not command it and I was not pleased when I heard it!”
Source: al-Muwaṭṭa’ 1397
Grade: Hasan (fair) according to Al-Albani
(btw I think Abu Elias has some deviant stuff on his site but I'm just quoting the report about Umar ibn Al Khattab)
Source: al-Muwaṭṭa’ 1397
Grade: Hasan (fair) according to Al-Albani
عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ عَبْدٍ الْقَارِيِّ أَنَّهُ قَالَ قَدِمَ عَلَى عُمَرَ بْنِ الْخَطَّابِ رضي الله عنه رَجُلٌ مِنْ قِبَلِ أَبِي مُوسَى الْأَشْعَرِيِّ فَسَأَلَهُ عَنْ النَّاسِ فَأَخْبَرَهُ ثُمَّ قَالَ لَهُ عُمَرُ هَلْ كَانَ فِيكُمْ مِنْ مُغَرِّبَةِ خَبَرٍ فَقَالَ نَعَمْ رَجُلٌ كَفَرَ بَعْدَ إِسْلَامِهِ قَالَ فَمَا فَعَلْتُمْ بِهِ قَالَ قَرَّبْنَاهُ فَضَرَبْنَا عُنُقَهُ فَقَالَ عُمَرُ أَفَلَا حَبَسْتُمُوهُ ثَلَاثًا وَأَطْعَمْتُمُوهُ كُلَّ يَوْمٍ رَغِيفًا وَاسْتَتَبْتُمُوهُ لَعَلَّهُ يَتُوبُ وَيُرَاجِعُ أَمْرَ اللَّهِ ثُمَّ قَالَ عُمَرُ اللَّهُمَّ إِنِّي لَمْ أَحْضُرْ وَلَمْ آمُرْ وَلَمْ أَرْضَ إِذْ بَلَغَنِي
(btw I think Abu Elias has some deviant stuff on his site but I'm just quoting the report about Umar ibn Al Khattab)
that doesn't mean 3 days is the fixed time that was just Umar ibnul Khattabs reasoning in that situation, there is no hadeeth on the fixed time of repentance or when where, which is why scholars are there to decipher, so it is not fixed
Regardless, the scholars agree that they should be given the opportunity to repent.
"Verily he among you who lives long will see great controversy, so you must keep to my Sunnah and to the Sunnah of the Khulafa ar-Rashideen (the rightly guided caliphs), those who guide to the right way."
Hadith 28, 40 Hadith an-Nawawi - Forty Hadith of an-Nawawi - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)
On the authority of Abu Najeeh al-’Irbaad ibn Saariyah (may Allah be pleased with him) who said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) gave us a sermon by which our hearts were filled with fear and tears came to our eyes. So we said, “O Messenger of Allah! It is as t
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but how does he even know that was just Umar's reasoning and that we shouldn't follow this? @cooli3o do you have a scholar that you got that from or did you just make it up just now?
there are different types of things we follow in the deen, something which is linked to an ijtihaad by the sahaba is something which is not counted as a ruling,
all the sahaba differed on stuff, they even had a war with each other, concerning issues to do with ijtihaad like this, there is nothing direct to follow, we have to make our own ijtihaad using this a evidence but not something fixed"Verily he among you who lives long will see great controversy, so you must keep to my Sunnah and to the Sunnah of the Khulafa ar-Rashideen (the rightly guided caliphs), those who guide to the right way."
Hadith 28, 40 Hadith an-Nawawi - Forty Hadith of an-Nawawi - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)
On the authority of Abu Najeeh al-’Irbaad ibn Saariyah (may Allah be pleased with him) who said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) gave us a sermon by which our hearts were filled with fear and tears came to our eyes. So we said, “O Messenger of Allah! It is as t
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My Views On the Punishment For Apostasy
This article is a brief overview of my position on the punishment for apostasy within Islam. Over the years, I have discussed it very few times, whether in video or on social media platforms. The r…
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@cooli3o I didn't read your last two posts and I don't have time to keep going back and forth with you. The three days thing goes back directly to Umar ibn Al Khattab. The hukm on apostasy is very well-known and behond dispute. The sharia is applicable in all times and places. I don't think there is any scholar who backs your views.
Imagine believing in faith that we fought against for centuries, u ancestors are rolling on their graves what disgrace, Christianity is paganism go worship u white Human, u Somalinimo is denounced u will never be Somali go claim
@CALMONE20### may I ask what is the thing that you found in Christianity that lead you to embrace it
@CALMONE20### give me 1 piece of 1st century evidence of Christ (PBUH) being WORSHIPPED. Christianity is not true my friend it isn't historically reliable.
What u mean civil comment Christianity is anti Somali of course we get mad
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Ignore him. He is just a confused kid and has unfortunately fallen into modernism. A couple of days back he was claiming that the person who does big sins(Zina, drinking alcohol..) is committing Shirk by worshipping his desires and is somehow miraculously not a kafir lol.
He had many accounts and phases in this forum. First, he was staunch Salafi with his account @Taij4an, then more moderate who doesn't call himself Salafi with his second account @jemappelle and now a full-blown modernist.
This is what happens when you take the deen from ambiguous blogs, websites and books without established scholars explaining it to you.
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Italian architecture looks nice. Somalis should have taken the good bits from them & added it into the native architecture. Like the Roman pillars for instance.
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