Afgooye Farms: Lower Shebelle: The Future of Somalia's economy

[LibaanSom]

PM me and I will link you up with locals who can keep an eye on you to visit Merca, Janaale, Afgooye, Baraaawe etc. A Merehan or an elaay is as foreign as you.

Haha, haye haye. As long as I can visit the beautiful Janaale scenery, or Merca beach I’ll be fine.

and who knows, maybe I’ll invite you to honeymoon in Bosaaso visa free

 

[abz1991]

Common misconception. Laftagareen is not an asal D&M, he’s a Xariin madow, former slaves of the asal D&M clan Xariin. The only reason he’s in power is because there’s more Xariin madows than asal Xariins these days so they move as one to boost their numbers.

His mums also marehan. If you think about it he’s actually a boon on both sides

Laftagareen is asal D&M. Just because he is bantu looking doesnt mean he is Madow. E.G. Some Wacdaan Cismaan look Madow doesnt make them sheegato. It just means they might have mixed with Madows. Laftagareen waa laandheere geesi ah. Same as taliye shub who is geesi run sheeg.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Puntland farmers sell to the south
You genuinely think anyone is going to believe that xaar.

I don't care what you believe tbh.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Ethiopia isn’t the problem, they’re just taking advantage of our problem. Many darood leaders as well as members on this forum such as @Thegoodshepherd and @DR OSMAN actively support this plan to dam up the river as a way to ensure more water goes to godey (darood) than Hiraan/the shabelles (Hawiye). Ethiopia is taking advance of this divide by building dams in darood inhabited parts of the Somali region like the one in godey.

All stems down to tribalism and daroods wanting to take what hawiye already have. This is what needs to be addressed. There will be no dams anywhere on our rivers if both Somalia and the Somali region are on the same page

If Somalis see each other as the enemy, Ethiopia is benefiting from it. We already know most Somalis are the same clan on macro-level, so can we all move on and address the common issues. I doubt it, reading this topic.

As soon as I mentioned the existential threat to the Rivers, it turned into FKD nacnac.

It will not stop at Godey. The Ethiopians will cripple Godey at some point if it gets too profitable.

 

[Yankee]

Huh??

Are you accusing me of colluding with Ethiopia to take you down? To do what? Deactivate your username on Somalispot?

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

Ethiopia isn’t the problem, they’re just taking advantage of our problem. Many darood leaders as well as members on this forum such as @Thegoodshepherd and @DR OSMAN actively support this plan to dam up the river as a way to ensure more water goes to godey (darood) than Hiraan/the shabelles (Hawiye). Ethiopia is taking advance of this divide by building dams in darood inhabited parts of the Somali region like the one in godey.

All stems down to tribalism and daroods wanting to take what hawiye already have. This is what needs to be addressed. There will be no dams anywhere on our rivers if both Somalia and the Somali region are on the same page

Hawiye are willing to play hardball against Darod inside Somalia. You only need to look at how HSM is running the federal gov without any input at all from Darod.

It is in Puntland’s interest to see the agricultural production of Somalia shift to the friendly Ogaden in Ethiopia. Especially if the road linking Godey to Kebri Dahar is continued to Warder, Galdogb and on to Garacad.

The end of agriculture in Shabeeloyinka would increase the relative power of Puntland vis a vis Hawiye. A weaker Hawiye that increasingly urbanizes in Mogadishu, far away from Puntland, would be a blessing.

 

[Prince of HS]

Hawiye are willing to play hardball against Darod inside Somalia. You only need to look at how HSM is running the federal gov without any input at all from Darod.

It is in Puntland’s interest to see the agricultural production of Somalia shift to the friendly Ogaden in Ethiopia. Especially if the road linking Godey to Kebri Dahar is continued to Warder, Galdogb and on to Garacad.

The end of agriculture in Shabeeloyinka would increase the relative power of Puntland vis a vis Hawiye. A weaker Hawiye that increasingly urbanizes in Mogadishu, far away from Puntland, would be a blessing.

You wish. Unlike you guys who just create fantasies online, i visit these places. The agricultural field is booming in places like Jowhar, Mahadayweyne, Agooye etc and the shabelle river is flowing. It is nowhere near seasonal as certain people would wish it to be. Just becasue Allah cursed you with desert lands that resemble the scorching Middle East, doesnt mean you need to wish bad on others

 

[Yankee]

You wish. Unlike you guys who just create fantasies online, i visit these places. The agricultrue field is booming in place like Jowhar, Mahadayweyne, Agooye etc and the shabelle river is flowing. It is nowhere near seasonal as certain people would wish it to be. Just becasue Allah cursed you with desert lands that resemble the scorching Middle East, doesnt mean you need to wish bad on others

Jowhar is Madow territory not Hutu
Marka and Baraawe are Cadcad and Raxaweyn settlements. I read a comment where someone here said, “HG are farmers in LS” Oh hold up! That was you

 

[Nomadic lord]

Jowhar is Madow territory not Hutu
Marka and Baraawe are Cadcad and Raxaweyn settlements. I read a comment where someone here said, “HG are farmers in LS” Oh hold up! That was you

This guy actually said Jowhar is madow territory nigga really rocking that 68 IQ.

 

[Prince of HS]

Jowhar is Madow territory not Hutu
Marka and Baraawe are Cadcad and Raxaweyn settlements. I read a comment where someone here said, “HG are farmers in LS” Oh hold up! That was you

natives of Jowhar are abgaal cismaan subs like maxamad muuse and agoonyare as well as other mudulood clans like mooblen cismaan and also galjecel. post 1991 huge influx of warsangeli harti abgaal into the town after maxamed dheere AUN ruled it. Madows were settled in Jowhar by Italians to make it a agricultural centre. Even today, 90% of farms are owned by mudulood and few xawadle and gaaljecel. Madows just work there.

im confused as to what the hg comment has to do with what you replied to. I dont give a toss for lower shabelle as it has nothing to do with me but militarly and economically HG dominate merca, baraawe and Afgooye farms post 1991. Its not something i approve or dissaprove its just how it is. I dont expect an ciyaal dayuusbaro from the states who hasnt been to these places before to understand though

 

[Yankee]

natives of Jowhar are abgaal cismaan subs like maxamad muuse and agoonyare as well as other mudulood clans like mooblen cismaan and also galjecel. post 1991 huge influx of warsangeli harti abgaal into the town after maxamed dheere AUN ruled it. Madows were settled in Jowhar by Italians to make it a agricultural centre. Even today, 90% of farms are owned by mudulood and few xawadle and gaaljecel. Madows just work there.

im confused as to what the hg comment has to do with what you replied to. I dont give a toss for lower shabelle as it has nothing to do with me but militarly and economically HG dominate merca, baraawe and Afgooye farms post 1991. Its not something i approve or dissaprove its just how it is. I dont expect an ciyaal dayuusbaro from the states who hasnt been to these places before to understand though

All I see here is Hutu on Hutu violence, how can you lose half of your city to Kintirley in Mogadishu and how did you lose half of your state LS to them too? If you don’t wake up right now, Xawaadle and Habar gidir will become the majority in HS and you’ll be stuck in Xamar a city that will later transform itself into a shared Somali city when actual state institutions are manufactured.

 

[Yankee]

This guy actually said Jowhar is madow territory nigga really rocking that 68 IQ.

Jowhar and Jilib mushunguli live there

 

[Prince of HS]

All I see here is Hutu on Hutu violence, how can you lose half of your city to Kintirley in Mogadishu and how did you lose half of your state LS to them too? If you don’t wake up right now, Xawaadle and Habar gidir will become the majority in HS and you’ll be stuck in Xamar a city that will later transform itself into a shared Somali city when actual state institutions are manufactured.

Habargidir dont live in hirshabelle except for mataaban district in Hiraan. Zero hg in middle shabelle. Lower shabelle was never an abgaal deegaan apart from one or two villages that border balcad district/middle shabelle. i dont think you know anything about somalia because literally everything you just said is wrong and your getiing everything mixed up.

everyone knows what ever is happening in lower shablle right now is habargidir vs digil and biyomaal. we have a mudulood sub called wacdaan cismaan that live from lafoole to afgooye and jazeera and nowadays as far as qoryoleey. Abgaal degaan is the other direction from xamar to xaradhere

Also abgaal never lost land in xamar. the only land habargidir live in mogadishu right now is the few districts that daroods and isaaqs left in 1991 like Hodan and howlwadag. hg are majority in only 4 districts whilst abgaal are majority in 12

 

[Prince of HS]

Jowhar and Jilib mushunguli live there

again your wrong. stop talking about stuff you dont know. you look spastic. the bantu that live in jowhar are shiidle whilst those who live in the jubbas are mushunguli. your reading stuff off google wrong

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Habargidir dont live in hirshabelle except for mataaban district in Hiraan. Zero hg in middle shabelle. Lower shabelle was never an abgaal deegaan apart from one or two villages that border balcad district/middle shabelle. i dont think you know anything about somalia because literally everything you just said is wrong and your getiing everything mixed up.

everyone knows what ever is happening in lower shablle right now is habargidir vs digil and biyomaal. we have a mudulood sub called wacdaan cismaan that live from lafoole to afgooye and jazeera and nowadays as far as qoryoleey. Abgaal degaan is the other direction from xamar to xaradhere

Also abgaal never lost land in xamar. the only land habargidir live in mogadishu right now is the few districts that daroods and isaaqs left in 1991 like Hodan and howlwadag. hg are majority in only 4 districts whilst abgaal are majority in 12

Those houses were not 'left', the inhabitants were killed and I assume the remains are buried in the gardens.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Hawiye are willing to play hardball against Darod inside Somalia. You only need to look at how HSM is running the federal gov without any input at all from Darod.

It is in Puntland’s interest to see the agricultural production of Somalia shift to the friendly Ogaden in Ethiopia. Especially if the road linking Godey to Kebri Dahar is continued to Warder, Galdogb and on to Garacad.

The end of agriculture in Shabeeloyinka would increase the relative power of Puntland vis a vis Hawiye. A weaker Hawiye that increasingly urbanizes in Mogadishu, far away from Puntland, would be a blessing.

HSM is the same demon he's always been, so no surprise he's up to his usual short-minded tribalism. That said, HAG is a short-term enemy but the real existential enemy are those Ethiopians who will cripple Godey like they will Shabelle/Jubba people. They will not rest until Somali lands are wastelands that depend on Ethiopia for everything.

Their intention is for Somalis to beg to join Ethiopia to save it from itself.

 

[Prince of HS]

Those houses were not 'left', the inhabitants were killed and I assume the remains are buried in the gardens.

vast majority fled but few killed. quite a few got their house back

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vast majority fled but few killed. quite a few got their house back

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A few didn't get killed. A lot of people were killed, raped, robbed and so forth. And it wasn't just Daarood, those miskeen CadCads who only make shushumow and xalwad and mind their own business, had their daughters raped in mosques and their land stolen.

 

[Nomadic lord]

Jowhar and Jilib mushunguli live there

Jowhar lives in jowhar?

 

[convincation]

Hawiye are willing to play hardball against Darod inside Somalia. You only need to look at how HSM is running the federal gov without any input at all from Darod.

It is in Puntland’s interest to see the agricultural production of Somalia shift to the friendly Ogaden in Ethiopia. Especially if the road linking Godey to Kebri Dahar is continued to Warder, Galdogb and on to Garacad.

The end of agriculture in Shabeeloyinka would increase the relative power of Puntland vis a vis Hawiye. A weaker Hawiye that increasingly urbanizes in Mogadishu, far away from Puntland, would be a blessing.

HSMs policies are temperory and a result of the farmaajo regime. Even then it’s PL itself that has a staunch isolationist policy refusing to integrate with the rest of Somalia.

Regardless your bringing hawiye and PL into an international conflict surrounding Somalias autonomy from a foreign power. Your “interests” are weakening hawiye which in turn weakens Somalia and strengthens Ethiopia. Your blinded by tribalism and will never see the bigger picture

This kind of short sightedness is rampant amongst daroods who have an inferiority complex towards us, one day it’s Mogadishu the next it’s the shabelle farms. Instead of thirsting for what we already have why not build yourselves? Darood including your MJ variant have land in Jubaland ripe for farming. Instead of wasting your prayers on the downfall of the shabelle why not pray your people pick up farming on the juba? Wallahi Somalis are so short sighted

HSM is the same demon he's always been, so no surprise he's up to his usual short-minded tribalism. That said, HAG is a short-term enemy but the real existential enemy are those Ethiopians who will cripple Godey like they will Shabelle/Jubba people. They will not rest until Somali lands are wastelands that depend on Ethiopia for everything.

Their intention is for Somalis to beg to join Ethiopia to save it from itself.

Your cousin just admitted he believes it’s in his interest to weaken South Somalia and Strengthen Eastern Ethiopia on tribal grounds and your first input is a dig at HSM? Your part of the same problem your advocating against. It’s your clan that will happily choose Ethiopia over their Hawiye countrymen and Ethiopia is taking advantage of that. Just don’t come ask us for help when the Xabashis come for you next, Darood really are shameless.