Is anyone here agnostic/atheist or non-religious?

[hopelessMan]

What is there to be “shameful” of? This is something I don’t understand about you Muslims. If you want to feel ashamed look at Al-shabab burning down buildings and bombing down hospitals. Look at the Middle East in general or most Muslim worlds. You people destroyed Somalia with your extreme ideologies. If you guys behaved yourself and fixed your country most of us wouldn’t have left Islam. Because of you guys destroying Somalia and producing Al-shababs. Our parents forced us to flee to a western world. We are a product of our environments it’s human nature. Most of us westerners are influenced in the western worlds. I decided to leave because it’s a personal decision I made.

Most of us that left the faith have made their decisions. We’re adults living in a free world country where we can decide for ourselves. If you want to feel ashamed look at Muslim countries that destroyed theirs and put our parents here. You guys are the one that should be ashamed. So shame on you.

How has this changed your day to day life?
For example, in terms of dating? Socializing with gaalo friends, via drinks etc..
What do you think gay and trans people?

 

[yyuusro]

I consider myself agnostic/non-religious as of recently

Never opened the quran before, never prayed, my friends would ask if i prayed, i lied saying i did.

My parents never really made an effort to get me into the religion, maybe because they just wanted to escape the troubles during the civil war.

I still celebrate ramadan and eid though, I haven't told my parents that I'm not religious, I'm pretty sure they'd be really mad

But I think more Somalis are becoming non-religious, why is this?

You should start reading Quran in English before you leave because then maybe you’ll have a clear idea on why this religion may or may not be of for u. That’s what I’m doing.

 

[Saintz]

Dont know about the rest, but im not gaal. Hope you guys end up finding the truth

 

[Internet Nomad]

we are the only planet in thousands of solar systems that has a moon.

A simple google search will disprove your entire point. All these planets in our solar system have a moon. Also scientists do know why we have a moon.

 

[Internet Nomad]

I have my doubts but I still practice this is one of them:

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Bro’s reason to leave islam was esoteric memes

Him on yamul qiyamah trying to recall how decades old memes were a justifiable able reasoning to leave the deen.

 

[mah14]

Bro’s reason to leave islam was esoteric memes

Him on yamul qiyamah trying to recall how decades old memes were a justifiable able reasoning to leave the deen.

I couldn't believe it when he wrote this I thought he was smarter than that I mean it's memes made by Indians and there's nothing scientific about it.

 

[Omar del Sur]

I'm actually shocked at how many apostates are commenting but worse of all... are being open with their disbelief wtf?

Atleast be shameful and keep it to yourself and know how Somali and Muslim identity is linked.

I thought this place was actually calm but it seems like Liberalinimo has started to pollute here aswell.

I would gladly take Meg Thee Stallion appreciation threads over these apostate posts.

yes- we have to distinguish between actual open apostates versus some teenager or person in their early twenties who is a fan of Megan the Stallion or Doja Cat or whoever young people are listening to.

if Allah blesses one of us that we are practicing, that we are following the dīn- this isn't so that we can bully or be harsh towards those who are trying but having difficulty when it comes to things like listening to music. we might be harsh with someone like that, accuse them of being impious and discourage them from wanting to follow the dīn- but while we're being harsh with them and feeling superior- there may be other areas where they are better than we are! maybe we are rude and condescending towards others- while their spirit is humble and kind; maybe we are arrogant and self-amazed while they know they are sinners in need of Allah.

I think the world has many people who aren't where they want to be in terms of practicing the dīn- and these people are potentially a goldmine for us- insha'Allah by being gentle and kind with them, we can help encourage them in the right direction and this can be a means through which Allah blesses us; let's not be harsh and push them away.

I believe the people we should be harsh against are those who are openly hostile to the dīn or those who genuinely undermine the dīn- by doing such heinous things as encouraging people to be hadith-rejectors, attacking the status of Saheeh Al-Bukhari or disrespecting sahabaah- and you know who you are! those who do that kind of thing, do not be surprised if I am very hostile towards you- in my view you deserve it and I consider opposing you a means of nearness to Allah.

but if you come across some Muslim who listens to music or drinks alcohol or something- just be kind and gentle with them. insha'Allah they are a work in progress and it won't be long until they've conquered their bad habit.

 

[mah14]

yes- we have to distinguish between actual open apostates versus some teenager or person in their early twenties who is a fan of Megan the Stallion or Doja Cat or whoever young people are listening to.

if Allah blesses one of us that we are practicing, that we are following the dīn- this isn't so that we can bully or be harsh towards those who are trying but having difficulty when it comes to things like listening to music. we might be harsh with someone like that, accuse them of being impious and discourage them from wanting to follow the dīn- but while we're being harsh with them and feeling superior- there may be other areas where they are better than we are! maybe we are rude and condescending towards others- while their spirit is humble and kind; maybe we are arrogant and self-amazed while they know they are sinners in need of Allah.

I think the world has many people who aren't where they want to be in terms of practicing the dīn- and these people are potentially a goldmine for us- insha'Allah by being gentle and kind with them, we can help encourage them in the right direction and this can be a means through which Allah blesses us; let's not be harsh and push them away.

I believe the people we should be harsh against are those who are openly hostile to the dīn or those who genuinely undermine the dīn- by doing such heinous things as encouraging people to be hadith-rejectors, attacking the status of Saheeh Al-Bukhari or disrespecting sahabaah- and you know who you are! those who do that kind of thing, do not be surprised if I am very hostile towards you- in my view you deserve it and I consider opposing you a means of nearness to Allah.

but if you come across some Muslim who listens to music or drinks alcohol or something- just be kind and gentle with them. insha'Allah they are a work in progress and it won't be long until they've conquered their bad habit.

I remember when I wrote that the majority of these so-called "ex-Muslims" are not really atheists, but rather they believe in the existence of a Creator.

This man is classified as an "ex-Muslim."

 

[Killamenace78]

I remember when I wrote that the majority of these so-called "ex-Muslims" are not really atheists, but rather they believe in the existence of a Creator.
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This man is classified as an "ex-Muslim."

Of course I believe in a creator the world is too perfect for us not to have one

 

[_Yusuf_]

aren't you part of the crew too?
also so many gaals here.
I wonder what yall's day to day life is like?

(Context) Talking about Nabi Muhammad (SAW) btw

“Just face it, bro, if you take the Sahih narration that he consummated the marriage when she was nine to be irrefutable, then that means he violated a child's body.” ~ DojaKhat

 

[hopelessMan]

(Context) Talking about Nabi Muhammad (SAW) btw

“Just face it, bro, if you take the Sahih narration that he consummated the marriage when she was nine to be irrefutable, then that means he violated a child's body.” ~ DojaKhat

She could have said this out of ignorance sxb, but no doubt this a dangerous statement to make about our beloved Prophet(SAW).
If she's saying she isn't gaal then she isn't gaal, that doesn't mean she doesn't need to put in the work to increase her iman.
But who doesn't? I know I do!

 

[Homerlilian]

(Context) Talking about Nabi Muhammad (SAW) btw

“Just face it, bro, if you take the Sahih narration that he consummated the marriage when she was nine to be irrefutable, then that means he violated a child's body.” ~ DojaKhat

she said multiple times she’s Muslim . Shaytaan takes us astray sometimes
and people end up saying questionable
Things .

Word of advice walal these things are better left not being Brought up . Should’ve kept it to yourself

 

[Alara]

What is there to be “shameful” of? This is something I don’t understand about you Muslims. If you want to feel ashamed look at Al-shabab burning down buildings and bombing down hospitals. Look at the Middle East in general or most Muslim worlds. You people destroyed Somalia with your extreme ideologies. If you guys behaved yourself and fixed your country most of us wouldn’t have left Islam. Because of you guys destroying Somalia and producing Al-shababs. Our parents forced us to flee to a western world. We are a product of our environments it’s human nature. Most of us westerners are influenced in the western worlds. I decided to leave because it’s a personal decision I made.

Most of us that left the faith have made their decisions. We’re adults living in a free world country where we can decide for ourselves. If you want to feel ashamed look at Muslim countries that destroyed theirs and put our parents here. You guys are the one that should be ashamed. So shame on you.

I can smell the self-hating ignorance coming off the screen.

1. Al-Shabab are only a problem because they are being funded by outsiders like the Emiratis to destablise Somalia.

And the Somlia government and its army being weak and ineffectual due to corruption and tribalism leading to Al-Shabab running rampant and loose throughout the country.

Al-Shabab also do things like suicide bombing and civilian targeting which goes against Islamic teachings...proving that the Al-Shabab problem is caused by politcs & weak government and not Islam.

2. The Middle East wasn't destroyed by Islam...it was actually many things.

Colonialism would probably be the biggest factor. Things like the Sykes-
Picot and Balfour Declaration which carved up the Middle East between the French and British Empires.

It also effected the Middle East negatively more than any Islamic Caliphate had in their time of ruling the region.

And when the Middle Eastern nations made up of majority Arabs did try to fix their problems...the West along with the Gulf and Saudi monarchies did their best to destablise and prevent them from uniting.

This included propping dictators or funding "Islamic" militas like ISIS to further destablise the region...once again proving that it was politcs & foreign meddling that ruined The Middle East and not Islam.

3. Somalia was not ruined by "Islam" but by corruption and tribalism. Our parents fled to the West because of the war that was started by....once again tribalism.

Siaad Barre locked up and even killed Sheikhs proving that Somalia at his time..wasn't governed by Islam but was secular. Why aren't you blaming secularism then like you are with Islam?

4.If you did leave Islam and it was a only personal decision...why did you leave a comment celebrating the fact that there were more Somalis leaving the religion.

If you became a gaal then thats on you...just don't spread your ignorance to other Muslims and try to justify it using points that an idiot reddit Atheist would use.

And don't try scape goat Islam as a reason for the problems facing Somalia and the Middle-East when it's not to blame but rather...

the Liberal Atheist West that is funding Israel and ISIS and carved up our and their countries between themselves. The same atheist liberals who destroyed those countries and put our parents here...

You should be the one ashamed...So shame on you.

 

[mah14]

Of course I believe in a creator the world is too perfect for us not to have one

Or rather, you are not an "atheist", because atheism simply means that you acknowledge that there is no creator. I don't know what religion you guys follow, but you have to be of one mind

 

[Alara]

That really helped us in the last 30 years

Did Atheism or Liberalism help us in the last 30 years?

The Islamic Courts Union which was was a grass roots organisation based on Islam...was the closest to unify and destablisie the country

And were even able to defeat and stop war lords that were funded by....surprise surprise the CIA

Until Ethiopia invaded under the support of the West, toppling the organisation and the closest we have had to unification since the Barre regime.

So yes Islam has helped us in the past 30 years

Who gave hese gaal rac apostates this much confidence man....

 

[Internet Nomad]

I consider myself agnostic/non-religious as of recently

Never opened the quran before, never prayed, my friends would ask if i prayed, i lied saying i did.

My parents never really made an effort to get me into the religion, maybe because they just wanted to escape the troubles during the civil war.

I still celebrate ramadan and eid though, I haven't told my parents that I'm not religious, I'm pretty sure they'd be really mad

But I think more Somalis are becoming non-religious, why is this?

Thats a shame that you wasn’t raised muslim. It really makes you alienated from the somali community. As you may not relate to much of our customs and culture.

You should try Islam there is nothing to lose from your current world view.

 

[Internet Nomad]

Of course I believe in a creator the world is too perfect for us not to have one

It would not be a massive jump to say that the creator may have left us a manual on how to exist?

It’s like one day waking up on a train with your memory wiped. You ask the passengers on the train where am i, how dis i get here and where are we going. The passengers say why do you care just enjoy the ride. Thats life for you rn.

The universe is insanely fined tuned for life we live on the goldilocks zone for life to exist. The odds of human life existing is basically zero yet here we are. Is it just chance or are we here for a reason?

 

[BlackCrow]

The Islamic Courts Union which was was a grass roots organisation based on Islam...was the closest to unify and destablisie the country

It unified the south I'll give you that . Why can't Islam make Somaliland and Puntland want unity right now then

 

[NordicSomali]

I mean how do you know Islam is the truth unless you have explored all other ideas?

A lot of people are afraid of questioning their faith because it might imply that God doesn’t exist which is a depressing and grim fact, but it’s the truth.

I used to believe in the Islamic scientific miracles in the Quran abc Hadith but it’s all been debunked. You need a “leap of faith” to believe in God, there’s no logic that can convince.

I became an agnostic when I became 20 and I feel into a depression that lasted years, but after a decade since I’ve come to accept the fact and live life according to my own terms now. I really wish that we survive our own death but there’s no evidence for an afterlife or that God exists.

 

[Omar del Sur]

I really wish that we survive our own death but there’s no evidence for an afterlife or that God exists.

Which one is it?