Yes Somalia should be balkanised, I think Puntland would benefit from this and move towards prosperity. One thing that we all have to agree on is, only allow Somalianland (your clan) to only have Burco, Berbera and Hargeisa nothing less and nothing more. Once we agree on that can we then proceed and come together to finalise this.
It's time for Somalia to Balkanize
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Why you pushing something that will make it easy for either to overrun us to politically dominate us. We have FMS leaders in Gedo publicly anouncing they wanna be part of Ethiopia. We have Laftagareen not wanting Ethiopians to leave his gobol, we have Puntland running to Ethiopia when he she has an argument with her husband the FGS. It wasnt even longtime ago when I read that Awdal actually wanted to be part of Ethiopia. A few months or a year before the whole MOU. Also dont forget the already Somalis living under Ethiopia. So all this shit you just said would benefit Ethiopia
SL and PL is not a good example. SSC has already been created. DH are not being pushed around anymore. SL isn't the most homogenous state. Awdal is Dir not Isaaq and that's an entire gobol in SL. As for starting wars, that would be hard if we had actual border security. Mooryaans would be dealt with. As for sub-clans that won't be that much of a problem. Most clan fighting is between two completely different clans.
As for the viability of those states, they're actually very viable. A Warsangali state could export gold, an Ogaadeen state in JL would be full of rich farmland and so would be an Abgaal one in Sh/Dhexe.
As for recognition if there is 0 central authority they have to recognize at least *some* of the states. There is a central authority today (although the President controls nothing outside of Villa Somalia) but if all that were to wither away, they'd be left with nothing. I don't really care about recognition to be honest, I care about my region being separate from Somalia.
Somalis will never let go of qabyaalad so this is the best we can do.
Fake Wadanis are the losers. I know you hate another qabiil and so does your family. Stop pretending to be a Wadani. You just want your qabiil to rule. That's why you pretend to be a wadani.
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Your solution of balkanization will only result in further hatred, division and hatred against one another, as is happening in the balkans right now.
You are pro-HSM so some of these are lies. I don't like any of these politicians as they are a threat to progress. Ethiopia was struggling in Tigray against the TPLF, is struggling in Oromia against the OLA and is struggling against the FANO in the Amhara region. They can't annex us. You need to calm down.
I don't hate any qabiil. People like you accept that they are run by horgaals and corrupt politicians and don't want to make a good change, just sitting there and whining about your situation and calling for Balkanize because the situation is bad and I don't wnat to do any about it.
The Balkanization of the Balkans didn't make any sense. If it was done on ethnic lines then Kosovo would be part of Albania. There's already so much hatred and it's because we're being forced to share a country. If you share a country with your clan and your clan only then there won't be as many people to hate.
Being in political limbo is a far worse fate than anything else. You can't develop properly or enjoy any of the benefits recognized nations do. It'll be Western Sahara 2.0 all over again. Ethiopia will invade and no one will care because legally qabil states don't exist.
The thing we need to do IS Balkanize. That's how to fix the situation. Any region can do that right now, the SNA is powerless, HSM is powerless. HSM cannot even visit Garoowe today and the SNA isn't present in PL. PL is de-facto independent but PL has not declared independence like SL.
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Somalia's clan map is far different from the political map take a look for yourself. It spells a future disaster if we balkanize
couldn't find a map with Khatuumo State so add that in
The clan map above is only the main clans imagine the chaos if you further dicide them into their sub clans.
What I meant is even if you balkanise as a one qabil state..these xayawaans will find an excuse to hate each other and diss each other which will eventually lead to more separation.
Qabyaalad is not going anywhere. You'd think it would go away after what happened in the 90's with each clan losing so many people. Somalia only exists on paper. HSM has less power than Biixi, Firdhiye, Deni, Qoorqoor, Guudlaawe, Laftagareen, Madoobe etc. HSM doesn't even control all of Xamar. No one cares about a united Somalia anymore, everyone gave up a long time ago. Only kids in the diaspora care. People back home do not.
Fake ass map when did galmudug control all of galkacyo? Deni is right there as we speak
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Not the most accurate maps but you get the idea. The chaos and bloodshed would be worse than the 90s mooriyaan era
Somalia as a project has been a disaster. Nothing in Somalia's entire history was as bad as Somalia in the 90s. That map doesn't account for sub-clans and sub-sub clans of broad clan familiies like how Habar Gidir is part of Hawiye or how Ogaadeen is part of Daarood. A united Hawiye or Daarood state would never happen, It would have to be a Habar Gidir state, an Abgaal state, a Murusade state, an Ogaadeen state, a Dhulbahante state, a Mareexaan state etc.
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Yes I mentioned that in the last paragraph. Radical actions are no good for somalia. That's why I don't trust far left activists who advocate revolution and etc
I know you are going full doomer here but the reason qabilyaad is so rampant is because the government is so inept and weak that it can't help its own citizens. Who can protect your property? Who can give you a job? The government won't but your clan will. Its a safety net for most Somalis meaning its a matter of survival since they can't trust their livelihood with the government. However, the ICU was proof that a united Somalia could work. It was a multi clan organization that gained widespread support precisely because they offered to help other Somalis and give them everything they needed that qabils couldn't.
And then there is the matter of reconciliation. No serious attempts have been made yet nor any actual open dialogue to address grievances. We need to take a page out of Rwanda's book and see how they handle atrocities commited.
what FMS leaders in gedo publicly announced they want to be part of ethiopia?
A stronger government than the current government existed in the form of Siyaad Barre's government. Even though it was a terrible government it was still stronger than this one and that's a fact. Despite that, Qabyaalad persisted and then we had a civil war due to it. Siyaad himself was quite the qabiilist but he pretended to be a wadani like most people on here. As for the ICU, I'm not sure how much support they had from Non-Hawiye clans like Raxanweyn and Daarood. The ICU became AS in the end anyway.
As for reconciliation, that's never happening. Every clan has an all or nothing mentality. With Rwanda, once Kagame goes the Hutus may start killing people again. Kagame rules Rwanda with an iron fist.
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