Somali men who would have liberated Somalia are not born yet

[gilic mech]

I heard some of them talking about artificial wombs ..

 

[John Michael]

I see this topic got turned into a woman vs men topic @Rooble

 

[Hubble]

Not really thats a dynamic not interested in the priority of family or creating new life. The feminist is in agreement with everything that breaks the family unit and inhibits procreation.

Somali feminism is distinctly heterosexual, supportive of motherhood, and focused on issues of “bread, butter, culture, and power

The one absolute in Somali culture is the de-emphasis on individuality and the emphasis on community

The daughter of a leading feminist Alice Walker said:

I'm not an expert on what white feminists write. I'm just pro high achievers of any gender who decide who they marry and when and if they want kids. If someone wants kids they'll seek family life and those who don't just get on with their lives. I'm not pro having an ideology which makes your decisions for you so I don't support that type of feminism at all.

 

[Mugheerah]

Women are a lot unhappier now than they ever were. Feminism is failing women and society as a whole.

http://www.returnofkings.com/71027/there-is-scientific-proof-that-feminism-is-failing-women


Edit: Why are people bringing up my Arabian origins? Why is this necessary? How is it relevant to the topic at hand? We are discussing an issue that is affecting Muslims all over the world.

 

[54321]

Women are a lot unhappier now than they ever were. Feminism is failing women and society as a whole.

http://www.returnofkings.com/71027/there-is-scientific-proof-that-feminism-is-failing-women


Edit: Why are people bringing up my Arabian origins? Why is this necessary? How is it relevant to the topic at hand? We are discussing an issue that is affecting Muslims all over the world.

She was just stating her opinion, she didn't cite any evidence for it. But in any case, her anti feminist stance is clearly heavily influenced by her politics. Also she states at one point, 'women can do anything they make up their minds to do', that, for many people, would be a feminist statement.

 

[Geeljire]

Her mother was obviously an extremist. Feminism for me and virtually everyone I have ever met to discuss about it, is about freedom to choose. If you want to start a family and have a traditional role, that's your life and your choice, if you want to be a mixed martial arts fighter with an engineering career, that's your choice. What is harmful is pushing people into roles that are not their choice and something that they otherwise would not have chosen. Like what her mother was doing.

Extremist or not that is western feminism ,as a paradigm, it is diabolically anti-Somali , anti-human neologism that emerges out of it.

As i said Somali womens rights and feminism articulate to different social realities to collapse both concepts is a linguistical flaw. It is therefore inadequate to use the term feminism and apply this loaded word to the gender issues of Somalia.

The option of following culture and leading a traditional life and pertaining to motherhood is something that goes against feminist western codext who consistently push their warped ethnocentric view of what womanhood is on to other cultures. To them it is oppression & backwards to stay at home raise kids and leading filling a traditional gender role and to them the ideal women is someone who pursue male driven positions in society.

Thats why you will see them constantly waring against social and cultural norms that other societies adhere to.

it doesnt become a matter of choice but rather a matter of ethnocentrism and it's cultural imperialism in its finest.

 

[54321]

Extremist or not that is western feminism ,as a paradigm, it is diabolically anti-Somali , anti-human neologism that emerges out of it.

As i said Somali womens rights and feminism articulate to different social realities to collapse both is a linguistical flaw. It is therefore inadequate to use the term feminism and apply this loaded word to the gender issues of Somalia.

The option of following culture and leading a traditional life and pertaining to motherhood is something that goes against feminist western codext who consistently push their warped ethnocentric view of what womanhood is on to other cultures. To them it is oppression & backwards to stay at home and leading filling a traditional gender role.

Thats why you will see them waring against social and cultural norms societies adhere to.

it doesnt become a matter of choice but rather a matter of ethnocentrism and it's cultural imperialism in its finest.

You're definition of feminism is alien to my understanding of it. I'm not going to defend your definiton of feminism which leans extremist.
Have a nice day.

 

[Geeljire]

You're definition of feminism is alien to my understanding of it. I'm not going to defend your definiton of feminism which leans extremist.
Have a nice day.

LOOOOL! ok tell me your defition of what feminism is. So i can see where you stand.

Is it matter of equality or equity? If its equality then that yes you fall under western feminism and the so called definition you are questioning.

 

[54321]

LOOOOL! ok tell me your defition of what feminism is. So i can see where you stand.

Is it matter of equality or equity?

My previous post to you, (not a definiton really)

Her mother was obviously an extremist. Feminism for me and virtually everyone I have ever met to discuss about it, is about freedom to choose. If you want to start a family and have a traditional role, that's your life and your choice, if you want to be a mixed martial arts fighter with an engineering career, that's your choice. What is harmful is pushing people into roles that are not their choice and something that they otherwise would not have chosen. Like what her mother was doing.

 

[Hubble]

Equity would mean having the right to live equally in society and getting help with childcare too.

 

[Geeljire]

Equity would mean having the right to live equally in society and getting help with childcare too.

That's the fallacy right there with the whole ''Equality'' women and men are different, not equal they both have innate gender role prefrences. You will even see that difference in what fields woman major in compared to men.

Men and women share many roles but some roles have different gender priority, some are exclusive to women (child birth for example.) So if men do not give birth how can the "rights of the women" equally apply to men.

But ''Equity'' on the other hand just speaks to the equality of options and choices.fair treatment. and not results.

 

[Hubble]

Tell that to Asli Hassan Abade

 

[Geeljire]

Tell that to Asli Hassan Abade

Who is that?

 

[Rooble]

I see this topic got turned into a woman vs men topic @Rooble

LOL I blame Barni lmfaooooooo typical Scandinavian Xalimo

 

[Hubble]

Who is that?

You love all things Somali but you don't know that Africa's first female pilot was Somali?

 

[Zayd]

By western feminism I assume you're talking about liberal feminism? I'm a radical feminist. You should research radical feminism. It could very well work in Somalia and it would be good for both men and woman

f*ck outta here, fucking poison, thank God the Somali people are against this new age religion dubbed feminism.

You ain't gonna bring that back home, live your life in these dead lands and die here, the dirt of Somalia is more worthy than you.

 

[Geeljire]

You love all things Somali but you don't know that Africa's first female pilot was Somali?

I know her since people keep parading her picture as symbol. but i dont go around memorizing people's names based on ''First'' whatever profession. Anyways you do prove my point. That your definiton feminism is all about women wanting to be men. That it is liberance to be them

 

[Hubble]

Parading

Says the dude who is impressed by a maqaayad in a country with lions running around it's capital city. Now bow before Eedo Asli waryaa.

 

[Bahal]

No country can survive in the modern age with 50% of the labor force locked up poppin out babies every year

 

[Geeljire]

No country can survive in the modern age with 50% of the labor force locked up poppin out babies every year

Ok tell me how a society will survive & function without procreation and a stabile family base?