Taliban ban female owned shops

[X29]

Just search it up, they've been closing womens shops for months now. They even said women tailoring is haram and told them to close shop. Women can't wear anything but this

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What type of life is this at this point what is the point in living as human there just going to be just above slaves

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Soon they'll demand that the slave gender wears dog collars and leashes with the names of the owner (husband) on it.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Why do these men get riled up when we bring up womens rights in Afghanistan and start defending the Taliban?

Because they're sick monsters who hate women, they don't deserve to have entered the world through a woman's vagina. I wish misogynist men entered the world through their father's booty. Nacalad ha ku dhacdo kuligood. I wish nothing but the worst for them.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Taliban apologists wouldn't send their own daughters to Afghanistan but want afghan women to live under taliban tyranny. All the upper echelons of the Taliban send their daughters to the gulf Arab states to learn but ban afghan women, talibs are the biggest hypocrites.

I think Taliban apologists would happily send their wives, daughters and even mothers to become slaves and prisoners. They don't care for women at all and are just pretending to because it's not safe for them to come out in the West.

 

[AbrahamFreedom]

Of course this will come to Somalia. Somalia pre-91 was radically different from Somalia post-91. You could have been half naked in Somalia at that time showing your arms and your hair and wearing a skirt. I even heard some upper class wore bikinis? You were allowed to dance with men and cuddle with men at the "disco". I even saw a picture of fully naked Somali women in 1899. Somalis are probably the most malleable ethnic group, especially among Muslims. Somalis are getting more religious by the year. It was a rare sight to see a Somali girl in a abaya in my time. I'd say 5% wore it. Its like 1/3 today in my city today. Women will be imprisoned in their homes in Somalia by the end of this decade if Shabab is defeated or not. Just watch. No one will say anything because Somalis love to blur the lines.

 

[Angelina]

The Chinese government has imprisoned more than one million muslims yet this joke of a "islamic" country can't say a word.

They actually work with the Chinese.

The issue is that they do have a basis in islam , take for instance the issue of free mixing, lack of observing hijab these are very important matters in the deen. So you can't say that they don't have basis, you don't live in afghanistan just like me and have no idea what the situation is exactly like, all we do is rely on 3 parties on information.

That could easily be rectified and Islam doesn’t disqualify men and women talking in cases of need such as trading, asking questions ect as long as actual akhlaaq is maintained. We have cases like Umar Ibn Khattab even employing a woman as the Market controller. Obviously correct hijab is imperative.

Had i not bothered to verify the information in the OP, neither you nor those critiquing the taliban regarding this incident would've checked it out. The tweet was another example how the taliban are using deen to oppress women to you, this is what mattered to you not the truth. You weren't interested in anything else

No, my points usually come from an account I follow of a Practicing brother who is Afghani with family there. He said the situation for women is even worse as he often speaks to them and in fact a lot of what the Taliban say is indeed propoganda as well.


Hence it goes both ways. There is no denying that the gaalada want to create even more havoc and chaos.

This wasn't the first time that you acted in such a manner, remember the thread about the cnn documentary show casing am afghani father selling his daughter off due to poverty, you weren't bothered by it just like even though it was fake news. Now why is this ? You didn't care that they were under occupation, all that was important to you was confronting misogyny of muslim men.

Fathers selling daughter off via forced marriages is common In third world countries. You’d have a point if it wasn’t normal but it is and that is where your whole point scrambles apart. I wish it wasn’t but it is, but I highly doubt it’s something you care about though.

Unlike you i always have husna dhan for muslims regardless of their gender & don't condemn them though foreign worldviews. This is what separates me from you, our starting point is different and as a result of it your end up projecting your bias to any societal issue that muslim have.

No, you can’t have that for people that have repeatedly since for a long time have tried to ban education. Our pAtience has worn out and everyday, they’re proving more and more that they’re willing to roll back on women’s other rights as well.



Actual Afghans with family there have noted that and it is from the words of their own family members rather than Taliban who try and make themselves look good.

It’s easy for you to say that though isn’t it. You seriously lack self awareness it’s funny. I highly doubt you would see it that way if it was laws that impacted men. The issue is that a lot of men don’t have empathy for women,the only way in which they can understand is if they’re told, what about your sister? Your mother? Your daughter?

I'm not the one who's contradicting themselves here, only caring about women's issues ONLY when the alleged preparators are muslim men. In fact i've questioned you multiple times regarding your selective portrayal of women's issues in general.

Muslim men are meant to be our protectors and maintainers, so yes when they behave certain ways I feel doubly betrayed. Instead of caring about your sisters in Islam, you want to make a 101 excuses as to why stripping them of their rights is acceptable.

Until, you start to see your Muslim sisters as actually part of the Ummah, we will continue having these conversations

Afghan women have been attacked by gaalada and now their own men are stopping them them from rebuilding their lives. So, what’s your point? Because these women have been destroyed by gaalada, some Muslim men need to continue with causing even more difficulties for them? This is what I mean when I say many sisters are in a rock and hard place and what makes it worse is we have men like you who are the biggest gaslighters. Instead of advcating for your sisters in Islam you want to silence and normalize haqq being taken away from us.

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

Know who you're talking to son, I'm probably the most anti-American military person on this website. And it's way different when its gaalos harming us vs people claiming islam

Not you having sympathy for those extremists saxiib. Muslims have been going through wars with gaals since the beginning of Islam. Tell me why women are the only ones subjugated to this nonsense?

Please tell me how closing womens schools, not allowing women to go to male doctor, forcing them to wear burqa and closing their businesses is the fault of gaalo and not their own misogynistic cultural believes being allowed to thrive while they falsely claim it's Islamic law.

Uff the bar is in hell.

Why is your entire advocacy of women based on a select few issues ? tell me why a woman's education is more important than her starvation ? If you're the most anti-usa person as you claim then why did the oppression of afghani women by the hands of usa not matter as much as the taliban one?

When gaalo wage war with muslims why are you not vocal this is my question ? when the us froze afghani bank funds, sanctioning them causing major issues to their economy, livelihood etc where was the concern ? why does women issues ONLY matter when it comes to taliban ?

We're talking about real people just like us could we for once stop using their lived experiences for our own agendas. Stop telling us which injustices should matter as if you're the one experiencing it. Your concern for them is superficial and doesn't go beyond mentioning them in discussions, i mean you don't even help out women back home so why would you help afghani women ?

What have you done to ease the suffering of somali women back home, do you give sadaq to your relatives ? Do you make dua daily for them at least ?

 

[DubatDiaries]

They have debates about educating us, sexual abusing spouses, if we have the right to work and the list goes on. Whilst men are grappling with women about rights given to them in the 7th century, these very men are discussing fiqh like Islamic mortgages, banking, workers rights. All of these are modern concepts but they’ll create fatwas about that to make life easier for themselves in living in the 21st century.

 

[GemState]

Nothing to do with Islam, this is Pashtun culture

 

[Angelina]

Why is your entire advocacy of women based on a select few issues ? tell me why a woman's education is more important than her starvation ? If you're the most anti-usa person as you claim then why did the oppression of afghani women by the hands of usa not matter as much as the taliban one?

When gaalo wage war with muslims why are you not vocal this is my question ? when the us froze afghani bank funds, sanctioning them causing major issues to their economy, livelihood etc where was the concern ? why does women issues ONLY matter when it comes to taliban ?

You really lack any self-awareness right? Is it a case of your inability to emphasize or what exactly?

Let’s be real, if you truly cared about Afghanistanis being in poverty and being sanctioned by gaalada, why do you now turn around and make excuses for Afghan women being sanctioned by their own men with regards to lack of education and finances? A lot of these women have lost Mahrams to these wars and now you want to make excuses for 50% of women still living under economic hardships in a country in dire poverty and lots of women not being able to rely men? Are you being for real?

This is where gaslighting and lack of awareness gets you. Actually think through your arguments.

We're talking about real people just like us could we for once stop using their lived experiences for our own agendas. Stop telling us which injustices should matter as if you're the one experiencing it. Your concern for them is superficial and doesn't go beyond mentioning them in discussions, i mean you don't even help out women back home so why would you help afghani women ?

No, Afghan women aren’t real people. Who would have thought. When these women cry about their lack of education or not being able to work so that they can put food on the table, they’re not real right?

Right now, you’re the one that is telling us to stop talking about Muslim women’s rights being taken away. If I was to write a post about India not allowing women to wear hijab, would you debate us and tell us that we have an agenda? So why can’t you flipping understand that I want my fellow Muslim sisters to have the rights to wear hijab, get an education, not be denied to provide ect. I love for my sisters what I love for myself. You cannot even see that simple concept because you cannot fully see our humanity. Everything that we Muslim women do is an agenda right?

You’re free to create threads about what America did to Afghanistan and the poverty there, but you won’t. Instead you will waste your time here arguing with your fellow Muslimas about being concerned about Muslim men taking away their rights.

Incredibly disingenuous. I’ve noticed you will use anything to shut down any dialogue with regards to female mistreatments. Anything. Peak gaslighting.

What have you done to ease the suffering of somali women back home, do you give sadaq to your relatives ? Do you make dua daily for them at least ?

What have you done? Do you send them them sadaqa, what the hell do you do apart from shutting down dialogue and being a hypocrite? I call you one because instead of creating threads about all of the issues you’ve outlined you would much rather be in this threads and gaslight Muslim women.

 

[Shimbiris]

Probably not. Taliban are influenced by their native Pashto culture. Al-Shaytan despite their extremism are still influenced by Somali culture and the idea of women being invisible in society is just unSomali and probably not what they envision for their ideal state. I think their Somali outlook will still allow for women to be out earning money and running errands, but misogyny will simply rear it’s ugly head in a different way through different policies that will make the life of average Somali women a nightmare.

A world where you Xajiyads are not running around frowning at us in the suuqs all "Dee maxaa rabtaa?!" is a scary and too unfamiliar world to envision even for the extremists, I reckon.

 

[DubatDiaries]

Of course this will come to Somalia. Somalia pre-91 was radically different from Somalia post-91. You could have been half naked in Somalia at that time showing your arms and your hair and wearing a skirt. I even heard some upper class wore bikinis? You were allowed to dance with men and cuddle with men at the "disco". I even saw a picture of fully naked Somali women in 1899. Somalis are probably the most malleable ethnic group, especially among Muslims. Somalis are getting more religious by the year. It was a rare sight to see a Somali girl in a abaya in my time. I'd say 5% wore it. Its like 1/3 today in my city today. Women will be imprisoned in their homes in Somalia by the end of this decade if Shabab is not defeated. Just watch. No one will say anything because Somalis love to blur the lines.

Inshallah it never becomes like Afghanistan- reactionary politics is always burdensome to the people. Bikinis ( I hate them) , clubs and dressing absolutely un-Islamically is not the goal and should never be. Do not conflate that with women's rights. A right to ownership, self sufficiency and access to wealth and education is what we need as women.

 

[AbrahamFreedom]

Inshallah it never becomes like Afghanistan- reactionary politics is always burdensome to the people. Bikinis ( I hate them) , clubs and dressing absolutely un-Islamically is not the goal and should never be. Do not conflate that with women's rights. A right to ownership, self sufficiency and access to wealth and education is what we need as women.

I was trying to show how much Somalia has radically changed and that people would be fooling themselves if this doesn't happen in Somalia with or without Al Shabab. It wasn't an endorsement of bikinis. But clubs and mixing should be allowed for those that want it.

It will definently happen because Somalis have totally destroyed dissent. Somalis have screwed themselves over by ostracizing secular Somalis who outnumbered the uber religious at a time in our lives. No one will publicly say anything when women's rights will be taken away bit by bit. Even Pashtuns have a large secular class speaking out against this. I don't know a single Somali who does this and we all know why. No Somali speaks out against Al Shabab except when it comes to bombings. None will speak out when Somali women will be told to close their businesses by a few radical sheikhs. Everyone will tow the line, including secular Somalis. No one will provide the opposite perspective which moves society to the middle.

 

[Shimbiris]

I was trying to show how much Somalia has radically changed and that people would be fooling themselves if this doesn't happen in Somalia with or without Al Shabab. It wasn't an endorsement of bikinis. But clubs and mixing should be allowed for those that want it.

It will definently happen because Somalis have totally destroyed dissent. Somalis have screwed themselves over by ostracizing secular Somalis who outnumbered the uber religious at a time in our lives. No one will publicly say anything when women's rights will be taken away bit by bit. Even Pashtuns have a large secular class speaking out against this. I don't know a single Somali who does this and we all know why. No Somali speaks out against Al Shabab except when it comes to bombings. None will speak out when Somali women will be told to close their businesses by a few radical sheikhs. Everyone will tow the line, including secular Somalis. No one will provide the opposite perspective which moves society to the middle.

From what little I've seen of people's views in Puntland at least, they hate Al-Shaytan. Despise them. They're also sick and tired of any violence and overall roughness. When I was a little boy a lot of people were openly armed in Bosaso but now you just see the occasional security guard with a gun. When I asked why this was my cousin goes "People are tired of fighting." and they don't seem as conservative as you'd think. Several young men and women quietly flirt and date while Tik Tok, Facebook and IG have pretty much conquered the place. But you still can't go out in shorts as a man without being a spectacle, kkkkkk.

 

[AbrahamFreedom]

From what little I've seen of people's views in Puntland at least, they hate Al-Shaytan. Despise them. They're also sick and tired of any violence and overall roughness. When I was a little boy a lot of people were openly armed in Bosaso but now you just see the occasional security guard with a gun. When I asked why this was my cousin goes "People are tired of fighting." and they don't seem as conservative as you'd think. Several young men and women quietly flirt and date and Tik Tok, Facebook and IG have pretty much conquered the place.

They only hate Al Shabab due to the violence and even that hate is not said too publicly or they can be shot by a supporter. Most Somalis do not hate Al Shabab because of their religiosity. They admire it. Reer Puntland would be demonstrating for Shabab rule if it weren't for their violence. Some form is coming to them anyways.

Society toes the line. Many are scared. Many liberal and secular Somalis exist but they'll never open up publicly. That's the problem. There's a reason why they quietly flirt online and not in public. These people will not be the ones to fight back against more conservative rule. They won't get a coffee together at a shop, you think they will stand up to these radical sheikhs when it's too much to bear? When their hoyoos business closes, they'll keep quiet.

 

[hinters]

Yh but you don't know the full situation so you can't jump to conclusions, all we know is the information they told us.
At best we just stay silent until more information comes out of what actually happened.

Wallahi I don't understand you, you were in another thread defending zina so I thought maybe you're just a more secular or liberal person but now you're defending the taliban.

 

[Gaduud]

It's Pushtun dhaqan even if they were praying to a rock, they would do the same shit they hate their women.

Yeah they are very harsh on women I heard that their women wear hijab inside the house

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

They actually work with the Chinese.

That could easily be rectified and Islam doesn’t disqualify men and women talking in cases of need such as trading, asking questions ect as long as actual akhlaaq is maintained. We have cases like Umar even employing a woman as the Market controller. Obviously correct hijab is imperative.

No, my points usually come from an account I follow of a Practicing brother who is Afghani with family there. He said the situation for women is even worse as he often speaks to them and in fact a lot of what the Taliban say is indeed propoganda as well.


Hence it goes both ways. There is no denying that the gaalada want to create even more havoc and chaos.

Fathers selling daughter off via forced marriages is common In third world countries. You’d have a point if it wasn’t normal but it is and that is your whole point scrambles apart. I wish it wasn’t but it is, but I highly doubt it’s something you care about though

No, you can’t have that for people that have repeatedly since for a long time have tried to ban education. Our pAtience has worn out and everyday, they’re proving more and more that they’re willing to roll back on women’s other rights as well. It’s easy for you to say that though isn’t it. You seriously lack self awareness it’s funny.



Muslim men are meant to be our protectors and maintainers, so yes when they behave certain ways I feel doubly betrayed. Instead of caring about your sisters in Islam, you want to make a 101 excuses as to why stripping them of their rights is acceptable.

Until, you start to see your Muslim sisters as actually part of the Ummah, we will continue having these conversations

Afghan women have been attacked by gaalada and now their own men are stopping them them from rebuilding their lives. So, what’s your point? Because these women have been destroyed by gaalada, some Muslim men need to continue with causing even more difficulties for them? This is what I mean when I say many sisters are in a rock and hard place and what makes it worse is we have men like you who are the biggest gaslighters. Instead of advcating for your sisters in Islam you want to silence and normalize haqq being taken away from us.

It was a fake cnn documentary as the father didn't sell his daughter at all, they made it all up laakin you didn't care at all nor the poverty facing them at all. All that was of importance to you was the misogyny and backwardness of their culture.

How is you following that brother refute the lie OP made that the closure applied to all stores and how does it negate the fact that what he states is still 3rd party, furthermore that's just a single person's narrative. How are you able to verify what he states? i know of other afghani brothers despite critiquing the taliban speak good of them ? what then ?

it's only propaganda when the taliban issue statements, so the truth is ONLY with those opposed to them like that brother ?

Taliban don't deserve husna dhan because they are supposedly against women's education according to you. Muslims that have fought gaalo forces for a period of over 20 yrs don't deserve to be given benefit of the doubt because they're allegedly against women rights.


Your lack of nuance, projection of gender ideology, adoption of foreign worldviews to critique any societal issues that we as muslims face is the issue of contention. When you choose which islamic stances to adopt and advocate for all on the basis of gender etc only leads to more issues it doesn't solve anything at all. You're an individual woman and don't speak for every muslim women out there acting as if your represent and care for them when you advocate for things that many muslim women would object to is nothing more than a contradiction.


Instead of constantly blaming muslim men and countries i would advice that you revisit your assumptions and ensure they're in line with diinta before you go on to advocate for them.

 

[Radical]

Taliban could literally start massacring every woman in the country and there'd still be dumb sspot faraxs going "hmm well actually, you see..."

 

[Yaraye]

Wallahi, I can't tell you how many times I've thanked allah for making me born into a western country. Sure it is another type of stuggle, but at least I know my basic human rights are guaranteed. Alhammdullah! .

Illahio ha laago these effing Tallibans