Taliban ban female owned shops

[AMusee]

When muslims have more hatred for fellow muslims than gaalada who do more damage it becomes a problem and we've to question their reasoning for condemning muslims but not gaalada.

There's a lot of things we're simply unaware regarding afghanistan and if we use this thread as an example then all those making hasty decisions etc need to reflect and stop their condemnation. How in the world are you extrapolating the closure of some shops in a single province to the entire country is atrocious and simply highlights your lack of nuance.

You're entitled to your opinions but they don't constitute facts, the taliban hasn't stopped majority of women from working if you claim otherwise please bring facts to back this claim of yours.

Like i stated before i don't agree with a lot of things that the taliban does laakin this doesn't mean that i make up stories to vilify them nor negate any good they've done. Critique them while being just this is my point.

You can't equate india banning hijab to taliban closing down some shops for failure to comply with islamic requirement etc. Even though i'm in agreement with you regarding education i nonetheless i disagree with manner you went about it and what you use it for.

I'm not trying to shut down any discussion but critique your reasoning behind your advocacy for the rights of afghani women. Despite bringing attention to false claim of the OP, you both continue to claim that the taliban is against women working, why is this ? how does closing some shops in 1 province constitute stopping 50% of the population from working ?

None of you admitted at all that you made a mistake and didn't bother verifying the claims made in the tweet. You were not concerned at all that some one lied about afghani women having access to work now why is this ?

Not only do i send sadaq but also have also volunteered at masjids collecting clothing to be shipped back etc i also make dua for Allah to lift their hardships at least i try & my concern for them doesn't end when i stop discussing about them.

You remind me of the qabilist here who boast and take pride in their qabyalad etc laakin when it comes to helping their fellow tol back home they don't even send anything some don't even help out their relatives back home. All that talk and pride in the end amounts to nothing as they only care about themselves bis

There have been several threads about Afghanistan central bank money being stolen by the West causing mass starvation, including women. There were no passionate comments, or comments at all. There were several threads about Hijabs being banned in Western countries and schools which of course would affect Muslims girls education, no outrage was expressed.

Here is a recent example of a thread I made:

European Court Rules Employers Can Ban the Hijab​

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/european-court-rules-employers-can-ban-the-hijab.137981/

Is this not about Muslim Women's right to work? No comments from certain characters.

I can not know if it is a sinister agenda from some or total brainwash but it is clear the issue is not about Women's right as there are suffering women all over who are not spoken about. The energy is only there when women are being used as a tool against Muslim men and coincidently targets of Western propaganda such as Andrew Tate and the Taliban, is it intentional and sinister or just being a victim of the programming I dont know.

When the lens one views the world is through western ideologies and gender wars it shows in the issues one comments on and is passionate about, using Islam as window dressing or a tool can not hide the obvious.

If your goal is for Islam to flourish and another is more concerned about women's rights as directed by Western propaganda you will never agree of course.

 

[Ahmedahmed5000]

Why is your entire advocacy of women based on a select few issues ? tell me why a woman's education is more important than her starvation ? If you're the most anti-usa person as you claim then why did the oppression of afghani women by the hands of usa not matter as much as the taliban one?

When gaalo wage war with muslims why are you not vocal this is my question ? when the us froze afghani bank funds, sanctioning them causing major issues to their economy, livelihood etc where was the concern ? why does women issues ONLY matter when it comes to taliban ?

We're talking about real people just like us could we for once stop using their lived experiences for our own agendas. Stop telling us which injustices should matter as if you're the one experiencing it. Your concern for them is superficial and doesn't go beyond mentioning them in discussions, i mean you don't even help out women back home so why would you help afghani women ?

What have you done to ease the suffering of somali women back home, do you give sadaq to your relatives ? Do you make dua daily for them at least ?

You can always criticise America, but they're probably the country with the biggest somali diaspora outside of Africa. Most send remittance to family back home. Most Muslims would rather move to America than taliban controlled Afghanistan because its a shithole.

 

[Ahmedahmed5000]

@AdoonkaAlle

Your sexism is clear to see. You literally reduce the rights of women as merely being ‘gender ideology’. Anyone that advocates for women is being ‘gender centric’. That is a argument that is the height of gaslighting and you’ll utilize it even someone rights are being infringed upon.

I remember we had an argument and you even debated with me over the idea of women being socially weaker than men and having their rights taken away from them.That is the height of your gaslighting has reached. But remember this:

View attachment 248425

Women are weak in society and their rights are routinely violated. One of the last sermons the Prophet s.a.w spoke about treating women well for his something this Unmah definitely struggles with. We have too many men that will gaslight sisters. Oh but I’m sure you think all of this is ‘gender centric’.

Anyways this is my last reply.

He's a typical terrorist, always using America as an excuse for terror and for women's oppression. But these terrorists are the first to celebrate blowing up markets with civilians and claim full responsibility. But the boogy man America doesn't go around blowing up civilian supermarket.

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

@AdoonkaAlle

Your sexism is clear to see. You literally reduce the rights of women as merely being ‘gender ideology’. Anyone that advocates for women is being ‘gender centric’. That is a argument that is the height of gaslighting and you’ll utilize it even someone rights are being infringed upon.

I remember we had an argument and you even debated with me over the idea of women being socially weaker than men and having their rights taken away from them.That is the height of your gaslighting has reached. But remember this:

View attachment 248425

Women are weak in society and their rights are routinely violated. One of the last sermons the Prophet s.a.w spoke about treating women well for his something this Unmah definitely struggles with. We have too many men that will gaslight sisters. Oh but I’m sure you think all of this is ‘gender centric’.

Anyways this is my last reply.

How is me critiquing your stances equate to me reducing women's rights ? you're an individual not a representation of all women stop conflating my criticism of you to women's right. When you critique me are you criticising the rights of muslim men or just me ?

The issue is about the reasons & underlying beliefs that one utilises to advocate for women rights. A muslim woman using islam to advocate for her rights will not share the same worldview with a gaal woman who uses secular ideologies to advocate for her rights.

That disagreement you're referring to was also troublesome as you were claiming absurd notions such as women can't oppress men because they're weaker. It's not gaslighting but holding you to account over your problematic views.

Not once have i ever denied that women are weak, need protections etc all of our disagreements stems from your views that don't align with diinta. You're very quick in holding men responsible when they go against diinta laakin when it comes to women the same energy isn't there. You point fingers when you are in the same boat as those you accuse laakin when questioned suddenly we're sexist and misogynists.

This is why i stated that advocacy of rights based on such gender ideology doesn't amount to anything and only causes more issues. In all of your discussions with the male users on SS how many have managed to see things from your perspective ?

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

There have been several threads about Afghanistan central bank money being stolen by the West causing mass starvation, including women. There were no passionate comments, or comments at all. There were several threads about Hijabs being banned in Western countries and schools which of course would affect Muslims girls education, no outrage was expressed.

Here is a recent example of a thread I made:

European Court Rules Employers Can Ban the Hijab​

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/european-court-rules-employers-can-ban-the-hijab.137981/

Is this not about Muslim Women's right to work? No comments from certain characters.

I can not know if it is a sinister agenda from some or total brainwash but it is clear the issue is not about Women's right as there are suffering women all over who are not spoken about. The energy is only there when women are being used as a tool against Muslim men and coincidently targets of Western propaganda such as Andrew Tate and the Taliban, is it intentional and sinister or just being a victim of the programming I dont know.

When the lens one views the world is through western ideologies and gender wars it shows in the issues one comments on and is passionate about, using Islam as window dressing or a tool can not hide the obvious.

If your goal is for Islam to flourish and another is more concerned about women's rights as directed by Western propaganda you will never agree of course.

Sax the discrepancy in the advocacy and outrage isn't something that one can ignore ruunti. For the most part i tend to think that the vast majority intend good laakin their adoption of some of their hosts nations moral norms, views forces them to go in that direction. Living in wadamada gaalada impacts our beliefs & norms in ways that we aren't aware of.


May Allah forgive us for our shortcomings and keep us steadfast

Ameen thumma Ameen

 

[Pizza man]

B-but Qatar and the US said that this is a new and reformed Taliban nothing like the ones 20 years and they will be progressive !1!111!!1!1

 

[TekNiKo]

There have been several threads about Afghanistan central bank money being stolen by the West causing mass starvation, including women. There were no passionate comments, or comments at all. There were several threads about Hijabs being banned in Western countries and schools which of course would affect Muslims girls education, no outrage was expressed.

Here is a recent example of a thread I made:

European Court Rules Employers Can Ban the Hijab​

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/european-court-rules-employers-can-ban-the-hijab.137981/

Is this not about Muslim Women's right to work? No comments from certain characters.

I can not know if it is a sinister agenda from some or total brainwash but it is clear the issue is not about Women's right as there are suffering women all over who are not spoken about. The energy is only there when women are being used as a tool against Muslim men and coincidently targets of Western propaganda such as Andrew Tate and the Taliban, is it intentional and sinister or just being a victim of the programming I dont know.

When the lens one views the world is through western ideologies and gender wars it shows in the issues one comments on and is passionate about, using Islam as window dressing or a tool can not hide the obvious.

If your goal is for Islam to flourish and another is more concerned about women's rights as directed by Western propaganda you will never agree of course.

You hit the nail on the head brother, notice how Afghan women issues are amplified post Taliban rule due to the sinister Western agenda to dissuade others from Islam? It truly is a psyop and they all bark on queue indeed

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

He's a typical terrorist, always using America as an excuse for terror and for women's oppression. But these terrorists are the first to celebrate blowing up markets with civilians and claim full responsibility. But the boogy man America doesn't go around blowing up civilian supermarket.

You can always criticise America, but they're probably the country with the biggest somali diaspora outside of Africa. Most send remittance to family back home. Most Muslims would rather move to America than taliban controlled Afghanistan because its a shithole.

cope and seethe. the secular child predators won't come back.

Sex trafficking of boys contributed to Taliban victory in Afghanistan

Afghanistan’s cultural and religious restrictions on women and girls created a social vacuum that was filled by Bacha Bazi or “boy play” -- young male

76crimes.com

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2015/09/american-military-told-troops-to-ignore-afghan-allies-child-sex-abuse-called-bacha-bazi.html

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

You can always criticise America, but they're probably the country with the biggest somali diaspora outside of Africa. Most send remittance to family back home. Most Muslims would rather move to America than taliban controlled Afghanistan because its a shithole.

What relevance does that have on you starting a thread without even confirming what you shared ?

No matter their economic situation afghanistan is a muslim nation and Allah SWT wil recompense all their suffering for that which is greater in the hereafter. This world is temporary we as muslims strive for the hereafter.

May Allah grant us that which is better, forgive us for our sins and keep us steadfast

Ameen thumma Ameen

 

[Ahmedahmed5000]

cope and seethe. the secular child predators won't come back.

Sex trafficking of boys contributed to Taliban victory in Afghanistan

Afghanistan’s cultural and religious restrictions on women and girls created a social vacuum that was filled by Bacha Bazi or “boy play” -- young male

76crimes.com

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2015/09/american-military-told-troops-to-ignore-afghan-allies-child-sex-abuse-called-bacha-bazi.html

Is this your best defence for taliban terrorists? Taliban rape babies kill civilians and are the embodiment of backwardness. That goverment was shit but talibs take it to another level.

 

[Qeelbax]

Who is you guys? And pls check the profile of the OP.
I disagree with some of Taliban's actions but sxb this place should never be a platform to spread propaganda against a Muslim entity(Taliban) by the aggressor enemy(Gaalo) they defeated.

Illahi ha ku cafiyo. Taliban ha burbuurto. Nacalaad haa ku dhacdho.

 

[AMusee]

You hit the nail on the head brother, notice how Afghan women issues are amplified post Taliban rule due to the sinister Western agenda to dissuade others from Islam? It truly is a psyop and they all bark on queue indeed

 

[Ahmedahmed5000]

Well let's look at the talibs track record.

1. Banned women from all forms of education.
2. Banned all women from medical profession.
3. And then Banned women from seeking medical care from men.
4. Banned women from business, literally the one sector they could make income from.

The burden is on you talib apologists to defend this track record. We don't need propaganda we'll just breif out what talibs do.

 

[Rocktheboat]

The US should've continued bombing tf out of them. The only way you deal with people like that

 

[citrus_samurai]

They ban female education, yet their own daughters are attending universities oversees. Hypocrisy. And now they are banning female owned shops in a female marketplace?

 

[Ahmedahmed5000]

The US should've continued bombing tf out of them. The only way you deal with people like that

Taliban should be wiped out, they're holding a nation hostage, but at the same time it's afghans who could take back their country. Tajiks fought the taliban hard. The central government eroded thier power and gave pashtuns a advantage that would later on help talibs

 

[Angelina]

IHow is me critiquing your stances equate to me reducing women's rights ? you're an individual not a representation of all women stop conflating my criticism of you to women's right. When you critique me are you criticising the rights of muslim men or just me ?

I wasn’t going to reply but the hypocrisy blew me away of that of the other poster and your comments about discrepancies.


What is my stance though? Anyone advocating for women’s right is automatically branded as being ‘gender centric’. There is a clear obsession with trying to stifle any conversation of lack of rights and you’re defensive. You did it to me and the other girls on here.

If I’m talking about Muslim men, you’re sole argument is about what about gaalada. That is it. Nothing else. You need to create this narrative that I’m okay with gaalada attacking Muslims and that I only complain when Muslim men take away the rights of women.

I’ve made it clear. I see Muslim men as our protectors, hence it is a double betrayal when they do not behave so. I have 0 faith in gaalada.

Without the lie that I don’t care about other issues, your whole point falls apart, nor is it one of substance.

The issue is about the reasons & underlying beliefs that one utilises to advocate for women rights. A muslim woman using islam to advocate for her rights will not share the same worldview with a gaal woman who uses secular ideologies to advocate for her rights.

Here comes accusations of feminism but in a rather slick way. My whole point is women in Afghanistan have a right to be educated, you’re now taking that and twisting into a ‘secular’ ideology.

You either think women being educated is secular, or you’re accusing me of advocating for something haram.

Take your pic. Your word salad means nothing, if you’re not going to be straight forward and come up with examples.

it’s insidious that you’re making your male bias bordering on sexism as ‘Islamic’. It isn’t walal. You’re being arrogant. It’s the way, @AMusee has now created that narrative that being for Tate is Islamic and Anti-Western.

That disagreement you're referring to was also troublesome as you were claiming absurd notions such as women can't oppress men because they're weaker. It's not gaslighting but holding you to account over your problematic views.

I’ve never said women cannot oppress men. Not once did I say that and I can go back to that thread if you want.

You keep on putting words into my mouth because without that, your issues with my points are illogical.

Why lie Walal? Why?

Not once have i ever denied that women are weak, need protections etc all of our disagreements stems from your views that don't align with diinta.

You didn’t agree with my point that women’s rights are easily taken away by men. That was what a lot of the argument was about. That is true and the Hadith I posted show the importance of not violating the rights of women because it is common.

Also Show me what I said in this thread that goes against the deen? You’re lying at this point, even the Digital sisterhood thread was about the double standards of some of the brothers. How is pointing that out haram?

Funny the brother that is agreeing with @AMusee, literally posted posts upon posts against digital sisterhood but defends Andrew Tate. At this point, this is clear male bias being cloaked as Islamic. This tweet made me remember that brother and that is how a lot of you operate:




Throwing around buzzwords such as ‘feminism’, ‘gender ideology’ and the like isn’t going to hide the absolute hypocrisy. The amount of threads defending that man who creates ography and even after becoming Muslim he compared himself to Allah, yet Somali sisters talking about an issue on a podcast and actually showing repentance caused a witch-hunt. Authobillah. Now that is what I call major discrepancies. Yet, I highly doubt you’ll ever say anything to him.


I’m bringing up Tate up because @AMusee did when he was replying to you. Very wild Wallahi as nearly the vast majority of Islamic speaker have distanced themselves from that man now. There has been too many videos of him snitching on himself and no one with integrity defends that man.

But there seems to be a pattern, defending women not having an education and defending a man who is known for ography, possible trafficking and saying the most vilest things with lack of akhlaaq. It reveals a lot indeed. A lot.

The hypocrisy is clear to see.

You're very quick in holding men responsible when they go against diinta laakin when it comes to women the same energy isn't there. You point fingers when you are in the same boat as those you accuse laakin when questioned suddenly we're sexist and misogynists.

Really? There was a thread about a Somali girl going on Loveisland. My views and my view of her shamelessness is written for you to see black and white. If I see clear degenerate behavior I will call it out. Unlike our bother here who defends man with various threads who talks about sleeping around and comparing himself to God.

This is why i stated that advocacy of rights based on such gender ideology doesn't amount to anything and only causes more issues. In all of your discussions with the male users on SS how many have managed to see things from your perspective ?

On sspot? They’re not going to. It’s a male echo chamber. They’re too busy defending Tate and coming for their hijabi sisters. Husn Dan is only for men. This is a toxic culture that has been created and nurtured by men not speaking up and wasting their time trying to silence and gaslight sisters.

People are starting to wake up and I’m glad to see really practicing brothers and Shayuk who have realized, especially with the whole Tate fiasco.

But if you want act deaf and blind, is up to you. But enough is enough.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

I wasn’t going to reply but the hypocrisy blew me away of that of the other poster and your comments about discrepancies.


What is my stance though? Anyone advocating for women’s right is automatically branded as being ‘gender centric’. There is a clear obsession with trying to stifle any conversation of lack of rights and you’re defensive. You did it to me and the other girls on here.

If I’m talking about Muslim men, you’re sole argument is about what about gaalada. That is it. Nothing else. You need to create this narrative that I’m okay with gaalada attacking Muslims and that I only complain when Muslim men take away the rights of women.

I’ve made it clear. I see Muslim men as our protectors, hence it is a double betrayal when they do not behave so. I have 0 faith in gaalada.

Without the lie that I don’t care about other issues, your whole point falls apart, nor is it one of substance.

Here comes accusations of feminism but in a rather slick way. My whole point is women in Afghanistan have a right to be educated, you’re now taking that and twisting into a ‘secular’ ideology.

You either think women being educated is secular, or you’re accusing me of advocating for something haram.

Take your pic. Your word salad means nothing, if you’re not going to be straight forward and come up with examples.

it’s insidious that you’re making your male bias bordering on sexism as ‘Islamic’. It isn’t walal. You’re being arrogant. It’s the way, @AMusee has now created that narrative that being for Tate is Islamic and Anti-Western.

I’ve never said women cannot oppress men. Not once did I say that and I can go back to that thread if you want.

You keep on putting words into my mouth because without that, your issues with my points are illogical.

Why lie Walal? Why?

You didn’t agree with my point that women’s rights are easily taken away by men. That was what a lot of the argument was about. That is true and the Hadith I posted show the importance of not violating the rights of women because it is common.

Also Show me what I said in this thread that goes against the deen? You’re lying at this point, even the Digital sisterhood thread was about the double standards of some of the brothers. How is pointing that out haram?

Funny the brother that is agreeing with @AMusee, literally posted posts upon posts against digital sisterhood but defends Andrew Tate. At this point, this is clear male bias being cloaked as Islamic. This tweet made me remember that brother and that is how a lot of you operate:




Throwing around buzzwords such as ‘feminism’, ‘gender ideology’ and the like isn’t going to hide the absolute hypocrisy. The amount of threads defending that man who creates ography and even after becoming Muslim he compared himself to Allah, yet Somali sisters talking about an issue on a podcast and actually showing repentance caused a witch-hunt. Authobillah. Now that is what I call major discrepancies. Yet, I highly doubt you’ll ever say anything to him.


I’m bringing up Tate up because @AMusee did when he was replying to you. Very wild Wallahi as nearly the vast majority of Islamic speaker have distanced themselves from that man now. There has been too many videos of him snitching on himself and no one with integrity defends that man.

But there seems to be a pattern, defending women not having an education and defending a man who is known for ography, possible trafficking and saying the most vilest things with lack of akhlaaq. It reveals a lot indeed. A lot.

The hypocrisy is clear to see.



Really? There was a thread about a Somali girl going on Loveisland. My views and my view of her shamelessness is written for you to see black and white. If I see clear degenerate behavior I will call it out. Unlike our bother here who defends man with various threads who talks about sleeping around and comparing himself to God.



On sspot? They’re not going to. It’s a male echo chamber. They’re too busy defending Tate and coming for their hijabi sisters. Husn Dan is only for men. This is a toxic culture that has been created and nurtured by men not speaking up and wasting their time trying to silence and gaslight sisters.

People are starting to wake up and I’m glad to see really practicing brothers and Shayuk who have realized, especially with the whole Tate fiasco.

But if you want act deaf and blind, is up to you. But enough is enough.

Ilaahay ishooda hakaa ilaaliyo sis.

 

[DubatDiaries]

I was trying to show how much Somalia has radically changed and that people would be fooling themselves if this doesn't happen in Somalia with or without Al Shabab. It wasn't an endorsement of bikinis. But clubs and mixing should be allowed for those that want it.

It will definently happen because Somalis have totally destroyed dissent. Somalis have screwed themselves over by ostracizing secular Somalis who outnumbered the uber religious at a time in our lives. No one will publicly say anything when women's rights will be taken away bit by bit. Even Pashtuns have a large secular class speaking out against this. I don't know a single Somali who does this and we all know why. No Somali speaks out against Al Shabab except when it comes to bombings. None will speak out when Somali women will be told to close their businesses by a few radical sheikhs. Everyone will tow the line, including secular Somalis. No one will provide the opposite perspective which moves society to the middle.

A lot of Somalis interact with sheiks like they are priests, and that their words are final. There needs to be diversity in thought and a freedom to express that even amongst the Muslims.
I doubt Somalis will "tow the line" in a religious authoritarian society. Somalis are not keen on tyranny, we don't like to give away too much power to a governing body- even religious ones. I truly believe Siyaad Barre could have had so much more success in any other society ( he had a good plan) but he found himself among a clan based people who don't like to be told what to do. This is why I believe Somalia is in need of a decentralized small government with as little meddling in local politics as possible. There will always be pushback with Somalis, just better to avoid it beforehand.

 

[Qeelbax]

The same men breaking their backs to defend the Taliban in this thread are the same ones who were screeching "you can't something halal haram" about increasing marriage age and laws preventing odheys from marry poor little girls.

So let me ask you, how dare you think the Taliban can prevent women from working, education, and receiving healthcare? How dare they think that they can prevent women from what has been made halal for them?

They and other terrorist organizations are but a test from Allah swt. May the ground collapse on the Taliban. Ameen.